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THE REWATCHABLES · December 5, 2023

Sea of Love

A 1989 thriller / mystery directed by Harold Becker, covered in the complete Rewatchables archive.

ThrillerMystery1980sDirected by Harold Becker
Overall episode#335Source sheet order
Movie year19891980s
Tomatometer76%Critics’ score
Metacritic66View score
Roger Ebert3/4Original star rating
DirectorHarold BeckerThriller / Mystery

FROM THE CONVERSATION

What they said about the movie

The episode argues that Sea of Love is a great late-80s erotic/noir romance built on Pacino’s drunken, horny, midlife-crisis performance and Ellen Barkin’s magnetic screen presence. The hosts praise its chemistry, Richard Price dialogue, New York atmosphere, and rewatchable sex-and-deception premise, while noting the whodunit ending is a little shaky.
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WHY IT WORKS

What made it rewatchable

  1. 01Pacino and Barkin’s chemistry drives the movie and makes every flirtation feel electric. Opening minutes
  2. 02The fish-out-of-water investigative setup gives the movie a fun dating-and-surveillance procedural engine. Opening minutes
  3. 03Richard Price’s dialogue and New York-cop-movie texture keep the movie quotable and lively. About 8 min
  4. 04The movie’s smoky bars, late-night drinking, and grimy New York locations create an immersive 80s atmosphere. About 8 min
  5. 05The premise of sex plus possible murder is inherently high-stakes and compelling. About 16 min

WHAT DID NOT WORK

Their main criticisms

  1. moderateThe climax cheats a bit by introducing the killer late and not fully earning the reveal. About 8 min
  2. minorSome supporting material around the Michael Rooker twist feels underwritten. About 8 min
  3. minorPacino’s character is so drunk, dirty, and self-destructive that parts of his behavior are hard to watch. Opening minutes
  4. minorThe title 'Sea of Love' is considered bland or not especially descriptive of the movie. About 16 min · medium confidence

SCENES THEY KEPT COMING BACK TO

Standout moments

Favorite

Yankee fan sting operation

The cops lure Yankee-obsessed suspects into a fake meet-and-greet and arrest them.

About 8 min
Favorite

First date / rhyming ad setup

Frank and the team use rhyming lonely-hearts ads to set up multiple dates and collect prints.

About 8 min
Favorite

First sexual encounter

The closet-to-bed sex scene is described as hysterical, violent, and deeply erotic.

About 8 min
positive

Shoe store confrontation

Frank is made by two goombas, leading toward a later rougher Pacino mode.

About 8 min
positive

Kitchen apology and fridge ad reveal

Frank apologizes softly, and the ad clippings on the fridge become a funny tell.

About 8 min
positive

Final fight with Michael Rooker

The movie ends with a violent confrontation and a classic window/fall death.

About 8 min · medium confidence
positive

Final street-coda

The closing walk-and-talk is admired for feeling alive and unresolved.

About 8 min

WHERE THEY DISAGREED

The biggest debates

They agreed About 8 min

Is Ellen Barkin actually the killer?

Wosny Lambre

Initially thinks yes for most of the movie, though he admits the film briefly makes her seem normal.

Craig Horlbeck

Thinks the movie sets her up too obviously and therefore she is not the killer.

They partly agreed About 8 min

Does the ending earn the killer reveal?

Bill Simmons

Says the movie’s ending is a little loose and the reveal feels like it comes from left field.

Chris Ryan

Agrees the ending cheats slightly even though he loves the movie overall.

They agreed About 16 min

Is Sea of Love more a cop movie or a romance?

Bill Simmons

Says it’s really a fucked-up romance movie with the cop material arriving late.

Wosny Lambre

Agrees, arguing the sexual chemistry is the real engine.

They partly agreed About 16 min · medium confidence

Does 'Sea of Love' work as a title?

Craig Horlbeck

Says the title is boring and not very descriptive.

Bill Simmons

Thinks it is probably still the best available title.

They left it as a friendly argument About 16 min

Who should have played Frank Keller in 2024?

Chris Ryan

Suggests Oscar Isaac.

Bill Simmons

Throws out Jon Hamm and then other ideas.

Wosny Lambre

Proposes a different current star and then veers into broad casting mockery.

12 People discussedActors, directors, writers, and producers
very favorableAl PacinoBill Simmons: Praised as returning from a rough 80s stretch with a sharp, horny, drunken performance that reestablishes his star persona. Opening minutes very favorableEllen BarkinChris Ryan: Celebrated as the movie’s main force: alluring, intimidating, and able to dominate Pacino in every scene. About 8 min favorableRichard PriceChris Ryan: Credited with the sharp New York dialogue and source material that give the movie its energy. Opening minutes favorableRoger EbertBill Simmons: Quoted as loving the chemistry and Barkin’s performance while objecting to the ending’s cheat. About 8 min favorableJohn GoodmanBill Simmons: Praised as a strong sidekick who grounds the detective-comedy portions and works well opposite Pacino. About 8 min mixedMichael RookerBill Simmons: Seen as the weak link of the murder reveal; the movie doesn’t fully earn his late role as the killer. About 8 min favorableJohn SpencerBill Simmons: Enjoyed as one of the many great supporting New York cops with good comic dialogue. About 8 min · medium confidenceneutralRichard JenkinsChris Ryan: Mentioned as an example of an actor who looks essentially the same across decades. About 8 min · medium confidenceneutralDiane KeatonBill Simmons: Referenced as Pacino’s longtime partner and part of his 80s hiatus story. Opening minutes · medium confidencefavorableLorraine BraccoBill Simmons: Brought up in a deleted scene as Pacino’s ex-wife, which Bill thinks would have added depth. About 16 min neutralHarold BeckerBill Simmons: Identified as the director, but not a major focus of praise or criticism. About 8 min neutralDavid MametNot mentioned. Opening minutes · low confidence
10 Conversation takesSpeakers shown only where the transcript identifies them
Bill SimmonsLoved it

Sea of Love

Calls it a classic and a great late-80s/early-90s movie that has slipped through the cracks.

Opening minutes
Chris RyanLoved it

Sea of Love as a Richard Price New York cop movie

Frames it as a perfect, dirty New York cop movie with coked-out energy and great talk.

Opening minutes
Wosny LambreLoved it

sexual politics versus sexual chemistry in the movie

Argues the movie works because it prioritizes chemistry and sexual tension over moral adjudication.

Opening minutes
Bill SimmonsLoved it

Al Pacino

Says Pacino’s 80s comeback matters because the film shows him as sharp, edgy, and authentic again.

About 16 min
Chris RyanLoved it

Ellen Barkin

Calls Barkin one of the most distinctive and beautiful faces in movie history and says she blows Pacino off the screen.

About 8 min
Bill SimmonsLoved it

the bar / late-night drinking scenes

Loves the smoky bars and says Pacino feels like a guy who belongs there every night.

About 8 min
Wosny LambreLoved it

the Yankee fan sting

Says the Yankee meet-and-greet trap is completely believable in New York because fans would show up immediately.

About 8 min
Chris RyanMixed

Pacino’s 1980s career arc

Notes that Sea of Love works partly because it captures Pacino right before his Scent of a Woman comeback and after a rough decade.

About 16 min
Bill SimmonsMixed

Frank Keller as a detective

Admits Frank is not a model detective but enjoys the character’s drunken, self-destructive energy.

About 16 min
Wosny LambreLoved it

Ellen Barkin

Says Barkin is the soul and center of the movie, with the strongest emotional and sexual performance.

About 16 min
5 ThemesThe larger ideas in the discussion

Erotic thriller / murder romance

The episode frames the film as part of a lineage of movies where sexual attraction and homicidal suspicion are intertwined.

Opening minutes

Midlife crisis and addiction

Pacino’s Frank is discussed as a lonely, divorced, alcoholic cop who becomes temporarily reborn through desire.

Opening minutes

Pre-internet dating uncertainty

The Lonely Hearts-style setup is treated as a pre-digital version of risking everything on a stranger.

Opening minutes

Gendered perception of difficult performers

The hosts discuss how men are praised as intense while women like Barkin or Winger get called difficult.

About 8 min

New York cop-movie authenticity

The movie’s bars, precincts, and street life are praised as a believable late-80s New York world.

About 16 min
22 Facts and referencesProduction notes and other movies mentioned

Production note

Pacino had a lengthy career lull after Revolution and did not make films for several years.

About 16 min

Production note

The movie is said to be based loosely on Richard Price’s 1978 novel The Ladies' Man, which began as a Penthouse assignment.

About 16 min

Production note

Richard Price reportedly visited singles bars and gay bars as part of his reporting for the project.

About 16 min

Production note

The film made $110.9 million against a $19 million budget.

About 8 min

Production note

Some interiors were shot in Toronto.

About 16 min

Production note

A deleted Lorraine Bracco ex-wife scene includes her telling Frank she is pregnant.

About 16 min

Production note

The film uses a newspaper lonely-hearts-ad strategy rather than a dating app, which the hosts translate into a modern Tinder-style premise.

About 8 min

Body Heat

Used as a template for the 'romance plus suspected murderer' subgenre.

Opening minutes

Jagged Edge

Cited as another example of the same do-they-or-don’t-they murder romance structure.

Opening minutes

Black Widow

Mentioned as another variation on the suspicious-romance formula.

Opening minutes

Nine and a Half Weeks

Referenced as another Adrian Lyne relationship movie driven by dangerous sexual attraction.

Opening minutes

Basic Instinct

Used as the later, famous version of the same killer-seduction idea.

Opening minutes

Saltburn

Mentioned as a modern attempt at the same vibe that the hosts disliked.

Opening minutes

The Wire

Used to contextualize Richard Price and dirty-cop worldbuilding.

Opening minutes

The Night Of

Another Richard Price credit used to show his stature.

Opening minutes

Scarface

Discussed as Pacino’s culturally huge later-80s touchstone and a key point of comparison.

About 8 min

Cruising

Referenced as a Pacino 1980 sister movie that didn’t catch fire initially.

About 16 min

Revolution

Cited as the disastrous 1985 Pacino project that helped push him out of movies for years.

About 16 min

Scent of a Woman

Mentioned as the upcoming Pacino comeback role after Sea of Love.

About 16 min

Goodfellas

Referenced for Lorraine Bracco and for New York-cast talk.

About 16 min

Ocean's 13

Used by Wos as his introduction to Ellen Barkin.

About 8 min

Animal Kingdom

Referenced when discussing Barkin’s later career.

About 8 min
10 Running jokes and short linesRecurring bits captured from the conversation

Pacino drinking / smoking bit

The hosts keep riffing on how drunk, smoky, and physically wrecked Pacino looks, including smoking in bed and being permanently in the bag.

Opening minutes

Yankees arrogance bit

Wos jokes that New York Yankee fans would absolutely show up to any fake Yankee event, no questions asked.

About 8 min

‘Cop eyes’ bit

They repeatedly joke that Frank keeps getting identified as a cop by women and suspects.

About 8 min · medium confidence

Judge-the-date-by-the-fridge bit

They joke about keeping romantic ads on the fridge alongside kids’ drawings as if it were normal.

About 8 min · medium confidence

Sex-murder genre praise

The episode repeatedly returns to the idea that movies about sex and murder are inherently compelling.

About 16 min

Bill Simmons

“come the wet-ass hour, I'm everybody's daddy”
About 8 min

Bill Simmons

“It's horseshit, but I love it”
About 8 min

Chris Ryan

“I believe in love at first sight”
About 8 min

Wosny Lambre

“I want to know why Al Pacino wants to fuck”
Opening minutes

Craig Horlbeck

“sex with the possibility of murder”
About 16 min

MAKE IT A MOVIE NIGHT

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UNITED STATES

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