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THE REWATCHABLES · September 22, 2020

Se7en

A 1995 crime / mystery directed by David Fincher, covered in the complete Rewatchables archive.

CrimeMystery1990sDirected by David Fincher
Overall episode#165Source sheet order
Movie year19951990s
Tomatometer84%Critics’ score
Metacritic65View score
Roger Ebert4/4Original star rating
DirectorDavid FincherCrime / Mystery

FROM THE CONVERSATION

What they said about the movie

A highly favorable, highly detailed discussion of Se7en as a dark, influential, rewatchable Fincher thriller. The hosts focus on its modern feel, iconic ending, craftsmanship, twist structure, and the way it helped launch Fincher as a major auteur.
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WHY IT WORKS

What made it rewatchable

  1. 01The movie becomes increasingly gripping in the second half, especially once John Doe enters the story and the final stretch begins. About 16 min
  2. 02Fincher’s precise visual style makes even small investigative or transitional scenes feel vivid and worth rewatching. About 16 min
  3. 03The car-ride confrontation and ending are iconic, quote-able, and dramatically explosive. About 40 min
  4. 04The film’s mystery structure keeps viewers engaged even after the killer is revealed. About 8 min

WHAT DID NOT WORK

Their main criticisms

  1. moderateThe film is so dark and grim that it likely hurt awards recognition and makes for a rough first-time viewing experience. About 8 min
  2. moderateThe added epilogue after the fade-to-black is seen as inferior to Fincher’s preferred ending. About 24 min
  3. minorTracy’s pregnancy/confiding subplot is seen as a somewhat awkward or forced character beat. About 1:12

SCENES THEY KEPT COMING BACK TO

Standout moments

Favorite

Opening credit sequence / city setup

The credits immediately establish a grim, dirty, rain-soaked world and modernize the thriller setup.

Opening minutes
positive

Somerset research montage / Tuesday scene

Somerset’s library research and handoff to Mills are praised as elegant, precise filmmaking.

About 32 min
Favorite

Dinner at Mills’s apartment

Used to define the Mills/Somerset dynamic and deepen Mills and Tracy’s relationship.

About 32 min
positive

SWAT raid on the gluttony suspect

The raid and McGinley’s arrival are singled out for tension and comic energy.

About 32 min
positive

Apartment chase / Pitt injury

The outdoor chase is praised as a thrilling sequence and noted for Pitt’s real injury.

About 32 min
Favorite

Car ride with John Doe

The backseat monologue is treated as the film’s most electric stretch and a standout 1990s scene.

About 40 min
Favorite

Final desert / box reveal

The climax is described as one of cinema’s most iconic final sequences, with a devastating payoff.

About 40 min

WHERE THEY DISAGREED

The biggest debates

They partly agreed About 24 min

Is the movie more Brad Pitt’s film or Morgan Freeman’s?

Bill Simmons

Initially frames Pitt as important but ultimately leans toward Freeman as the more central force.

Sean Fennessey

Argues Freeman is the movie’s true lead because of his calm, grounding presence.

Chris Ryan

Says Spacey steals the end, but Freeman drives the film overall.

They partly agreed About 24 min

Was the studio-added epilogue better than a hard fade to black?

Bill Simmons

Prefers Fincher’s intended fade to black and says the coda was imposed after test screenings.

Sean Fennessey

Notes the fade-to-black would have been jarring but probably stronger artistically.

Chris Ryan

Does not strongly challenge the preference for the darker original ending.

They left it as a friendly argument About 1:04

What is the proper genre label for Se7en?

Sean Fennessey

Suggests it is closer to an Oscar-grade horror/thriller hybrid than a standard horror movie.

Bill Simmons

Agrees it sits in an odd category and resists simple labeling.

Chris Ryan

Humorously proposes new labels like 'thrawer' or 'hiller'.

They partly agreed About 1:04

Would a modern remake or limited series work?

Bill Simmons

Says a 10-episode version is easy to imagine, though not necessarily desirable.

Sean Fennessey

Says it could be a seven-episode series in today’s market.

Chris Ryan

Thinks a remake would only matter if the original creative team were involved.

12 People discussedActors, directors, writers, and producers
very favorableDavid FincherBill Simmons: Praised as a major auteur whose control, style, and ending choices made the movie work and launched his run. About 8 min favorableBrad PittBill Simmons: Seen as charismatic and effective as an immature, ambitious cop, though not always the movie’s central force. About 24 min very favorableMorgan FreemanSean Fennessey: Praised as calm, authoritative, and possibly the movie’s true lead, with a great detective performance. About 24 min very favorableKevin SpaceyChris Ryan: Praised as unforgettable in the John Doe role, especially in the car ride and final reveal. About 8 min favorableGwyneth PaltrowBill Simmons: Admired for her warmth and beauty; her diner scene and off-screen relationship with Pitt are discussed. About 32 min favorableDarius KhondjiSean Fennessey: Mentioned as deserving Oscar recognition for the movie’s cinematography. About 8 min favorableAndrew Kevin WalkerBill Simmons: Praised for writing the script over two years and for its clever, creepy structure. About 56 min favorableArlie ErmeyBill Simmons: Remembered fondly for the SWAT raid scene and his commanding line delivery. About 32 min
favorableLeland OrserBill Simmons: Held up as a memorable supporting presence, with a committed hyperventilating performance. About 56 min
favorableJohn C. McGinleyBill Simmons: Enjoyed as high-energy comic-terrifying SWAT leadership in the raid sequence. About 32 min favorableRoger EbertBill Simmons: Mentioned as having upgraded the film to a four-star review later in life. About 56 min favorableMichael MannBill Simmons: Referenced as Fincher’s competition in the Rewatchables director tally, with affectionate rivalry. About 8 min
8 Conversation takesSpeakers shown only where the transcript identifies them
Bill SimmonsLoved it

Se7en

Calls it a weird but perfect choice for the 150th episode and one of the most rewatchable films ever.

About 8 min
Sean FennesseyLoved it

Se7en's screenplay

Argues the script is one of the cleverest, creepiest, craziest of the era and deserved awards recognition.

About 8 min
Chris RyanLoved it

the car ride with John Doe

Calls the car scene one of the best scenes of the entire 1990s.

About 8 min
Bill SimmonsLoved it

the ending

Prefers the box reveal and final confrontation as the movie’s defining payoff.

About 40 min
Sean FennesseyLoved it

David Fincher

Sees Fincher’s rescue of the script as a major turning point in modern American film history.

About 8 min
Chris RyanLiked it

Somerset

Loves the detective character as a fully realized, research-driven cop.

About 16 min
Bill SimmonsLoved it

the opening and credit sequences

Praises Fincher’s ability to make titles and credits feel like part of the world-building.

About 48 min
Sean FennesseyLoved it

the movie’s darkness

Admires how fully the movie commits to its bleak worldview without becoming dull.

About 8 min
5 ThemesThe larger ideas in the discussion

Modern noir / Hitchcock influence

The movie is framed as a modern, city-based noir that still feels current because of Fincher’s control and Hitchcock-like suspense structure.

About 8 min

Cynicism and human depravity

The hosts emphasize the movie’s low opinion of humanity and its hellish moral atmosphere.

About 8 min

Craft over spectacle

Small scenes, sound design, and investigative details are treated as crucial to the film’s impact.

About 1:04

The movie as a Fincher breakthrough

They repeatedly treat Se7en as a turning point that established Fincher’s career and style.

About 8 min

Rewatchable dread

Despite being disturbing, the movie is seen as highly rewatchable because viewers want to revisit the setup and final act.

About 16 min
23 Facts and referencesProduction notes and other movies mentioned

Production note

Andrew Kevin Walker wrote the script over about two years while working at Tower Records.

About 56 min

Production note

The movie made roughly $327 million worldwide on a $33 million budget.

About 56 min

Production note

The film had a proposed alternate ending where Somerset would shoot John Doe instead of Mills.

About 24 min

Production note

Pitt really injured his arm during the car chase and the cast was written around it.

About 32 min

Production note

The prop books were real books created for the film and took months to make.

About 1:12

Production note

The skinny chained-up victim was played by an actor who weighed 98 pounds.

About 1:12

Production note

Roger Ebert initially reviewed the film at three and a half stars, then later revised it to four.

About 56 min

Production note

Fincher wanted the movie’s opening title treatment to avoid the old droning-credit style.

About 48 min

The Usual Suspects

Used as a 1995 peer and example of another influential movie that was under-recognized by the Oscars.

About 8 min

Heat

Another 1995 movie cited as a major, enduring film of the year.

About 8 min

Casino

Referenced as a 1995 classic and as a movie audiences initially felt had to be measured against Goodfellas.

About 8 min

Shawshank Redemption

Used as a comparison for rewatchability and for Freeman’s career momentum.

About 16 min

Zodiac

Cited as a Fincher film with similar investigative foreplay and murder-offscreen structure.

About 16 min

Fight Club

Referenced as another Fincher movie and as a cultural touchstone whose meaning has shifted over time.

About 1:20

Alien 3

Discussed as Fincher’s difficult studio experience before Se7en.

About 8 min

True Romance

Referenced as a Brad Pitt early-career highlight and a contrast to his role in Se7en.

About 24 min

Legends of the Fall

Mentioned as one of Pitt’s immediate pre-Se7en star-making attempts.

About 24 min

Thelma & Louise

Used to frame Pitt’s rise to fame before Se7en.

About 24 min

Training Day

Referenced as the other film using the same downtown diner location for a key meeting scene.

About 1:12

Copycat

Mentioned as a more generic, forgettable serial-killer thriller from the same era.

About 1:04

The Sopranos

Used as the analogy for Fincher’s intended hard-cut ending to black.

About 16 min

Nine Inch Nails

Cited as part of the film’s era-specific industrial/dark music texture.

About 1:04

The White Shadow

Referenced in a joke about Gwyneth Paltrow’s family connection.

About 1:12 · medium confidence
10 Running jokes and short linesRecurring bits captured from the conversation

Fincher vs. Michael Mann director tally

They joke about turning Rewatchables into a Fincher showcase while keeping track of Mann’s lead.

About 8 min

The box obsession

A long comedic tangent about how John Doe physically mailed Tracy’s head in a box.

About 1:12

What’s in the box? repetition

The final line gets repeated comedically and emphatically as a running payoff.

About 40 min

Sports analogies for actors and careers

They compare Pitt and Freeman runs to baseball and sports arcs to gauge career peaks.

About 24 min

Somerset as joyless sports fan

Chris imagines Somerset as a joyless New York sports fan or Spurs fan with no pleasure in life.

About 48 min

Speaker not identified

“What's in the box?”
About 40 min

Speaker not identified

“You're no Messiah.”
About 40 min

Speaker not identified

“Wake up, Glimmer Twins!”
About 32 min

Bill Simmons

“The world is a fine place”
About 24 min

Chris Ryan

“He just told you.”
About 40 min

MAKE IT A MOVIE NIGHT

Where to watch

UNITED STATES

Checking where Se7en is available…

WHAT TO WATCH NEXT

Movies to watch before and after.

Three movies to watch before Se7en, and three to watch next.

Finding six movies…Three to watch first and three to watch next.
Includes a Rewatchables episodePosters from TMDB.

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Bill Simmons headshotBill SimmonsThe Rewatchables
Chris Ryan headshotChris RyanThe Rewatchables
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