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THE REWATCHABLES · December 14, 2017

Zodiac

A 2007 mystery / thriller directed by David Fincher, covered in the complete Rewatchables archive.

MysteryThriller2000sDirected by David Fincher
Overall episode#21Source sheet order
Movie year20072000s
Tomatometer90%Critics’ score
Metacritic79View score
Roger Ebert4/4Original star rating
DirectorDavid FincherMystery / Thriller

FROM THE CONVERSATION

What they said about the movie

The episode treats Zodiac as a major, unusually rewatchable Fincher film whose power comes from ambiguity, procedural repetition, exacting detail, and the slow damage the case inflicts on everyone involved. The hosts praise its atmosphere, humor, place-specific texture, and performances, while also noting its unsatisfying ending, long runtime, and some weakness in the Chloe Sevigny subplot.
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WHY IT WORKS

What made it rewatchable

  1. 01Its irresolvability keeps revealing new details on repeat viewings. Opening minutes
  2. 02Dense ensemble and character details reward noticing different performances each time. Opening minutes
  3. 03The procedural repetition creates a weirdly hypnotic rhythm. Opening minutes
  4. 04Obsessive visual inserts and production detail make it worth revisiting. About 32 min
  5. 05The movie feels like an extra-long story with emotional aftershocks, which rewards patience. About 8 min · medium confidence

WHAT DID NOT WORK

Their main criticisms

  1. moderateThe runtime and repetitive structure can make it hard to keep track of where you are in the film. Opening minutes
  2. minorIt is not a 'fun' rewatch, even if it is a rewarding one. Opening minutes
  3. moderateThe Chloe Sevigny relationship feels underwritten and typical of Fincher's treatment of women. About 24 min
  4. moderateJake Gyllenhaal's performance is uneven or too earnest for some viewers. About 24 min
  5. minorThe ending is emotionally unsatisfying for some viewers, even if intentional. About 24 min

SCENES THEY KEPT COMING BACK TO

Standout moments

Favorite

Cold open / first murder

Recognized as one of Fincher's crowning achievements and one of the film's most important set pieces.

About 16 min
Favorite

Credit sequence and mail trolley

Praised for efficiently establishing the world and tone with visual economy.

About 16 min
Favorite

Graysmith and Avery at the bar

A light, character-rich scene built around Aquavelva, newsroom banter, and mutual suspicion.

About 16 min
critical

Lake Berryessa / Napa murder

Considered maybe the least rewatchable scene because it is so slow, unsettling, and horrifying.

About 16 min
Favorite

Arthur Lee Allen interrogation

Viewed as the key 'we got him' scene, with loaded looks and evasive answers.

About 16 min
critical

Projectionist-house ending scare

Described as the movie's most horror-like and hardest-to-watch sequence.

About 16 min
Favorite

Final Graysmith reconstruction

Seen as the film's closest thing to a solved-case moment, even if unresolved overall.

About 16 min

WHERE THEY DISAGREED

The biggest debates

They partly agreed Opening minutes

Whether the film is fun or merely rewarding to rewatch

Andy Greenwald

It is not fun, but it is rewarding.

Chris Ryan

It is exciting and funny, especially in the first half.

No final agreement About 56 min

Best performance in the movie

Sean Fennessey

Ruffalo may be the best performance because he is so subtle and controlled.

Chris Ryan

Downey wins because his Avery leaves the deepest footprint and delivers the movie's best quotes.

Andy Greenwald

Downey is great, but Gyllenhaal's performance is too uneven to beat Ruffalo.

They partly agreed About 24 min

Whether Jake Gyllenhaal's performance works

Andy Greenwald

The performance is frustrating, too earnest, and not fully convincing.

Sean Fennessey

It is a career inflection point that helps explain his later great performances.

No final agreement About 40 min

Best Fincher film vs most important Fincher film

Sean Fennessey

The Social Network is Fincher's best movie, though Zodiac is his most interesting accomplishment.

Chris Ryan

Zodiac is his favorite and feels like his greatest film.

10 People discussedActors, directors, writers, and producers
8 Conversation takesSpeakers shown only where the transcript identifies them
Chris RyanLoved it

Zodiac

Calls it his favorite film of the 21st century and favorite Fincher film.

Opening minutes
Andy GreenwaldLiked it

Zodiac

Describes it as a rewarding but not fun rewatch, with a one-way downward emotional arc.

Opening minutes
Sean FennesseyLoved it

Zodiac

Frames the film as unusually expansive, precise, and deep, with a documentary-like grasp of work and obsession.

About 8 min
Andy GreenwaldLiked it

Fincher's repetition and precision

Argues the movie's repetition is purposeful because jobs themselves are repetitive.

Opening minutes
Chris RyanLoved it

Graysmith and Avery at the bar

Picks the bar scene as his favorite because it shows the movie's character chemistry and humor.

About 16 min
Sean FennesseyLoved it

Robert Downey Jr. as Paul Avery

Argues Downey's Avery is the perfect pre-Iron Man performance and maybe his last unselfconscious one.

About 16 min
Sean FennesseyLiked it

The Social Network

Calls it Fincher's best movie, while still saying Zodiac is his most interesting and most accomplished.

About 40 min
Andy GreenwaldLoved it

Zodiac

Says the film's obsessive scholarship and understanding of the world make Fincher the movie's winner.

About 1:04
6 ThemesThe larger ideas in the discussion

Irresolvability

The film embraces the fact that the case cannot be cleanly solved, and that lack of closure is central to its power.

Opening minutes

Work and professional obsession

The film is framed as a work movie about people trapped inside jobs that can no longer function normally.

About 8 min

Place and civic texture

San Francisco, Vallejo, and newspaper culture are treated as defining the movie's atmosphere.

About 8 min

Time and decay

The case slowly degrades lives, careers, and relationships over time.

About 8 min

Obsessive detail

Fincher's visual precision and insert shots become a major source of fascination.

About 32 min

Ambiguous justice

The movie is less about proving guilt than about whether people want justice or understanding.

About 56 min
25 Facts and referencesProduction notes and other movies mentioned

Production note

The movie had final cut but still ran long and missed the studio's preferred under-three-hour target.

Opening minutes

Production note

It made about $33 million domestic on a $65 million budget.

Opening minutes

Production note

Fincher digitally recreated much of San Francisco, including the Coit Tower.

Opening minutes

Production note

The film was nominated for the Palme d'Or but received no Oscar nominations.

Opening minutes

Mentioned with uncertainty

Jake Gyllenhaal and Mark Ruffalo were reportedly recommended to Fincher by Jennifer Aniston.

About 40 min · medium confidence

Production note

Fincher reportedly needed about 80 takes for a bar scene between Downey and Gyllenhaal.

About 32 min

Production note

Gary Oldman was reportedly considered for Melvin Belli.

About 56 min

Production note

The crew flew in oak trees by helicopter for the Lake Berryessa scene.

About 40 min

Production note

The film was shot largely on digital and used CGI for some gore and environment work.

About 40 min

Production note

The movie likely identifies Arthur Lee Allen as the Zodiac killer, at least as the filmmakers' conclusion.

About 24 min

Chinatown

Used as a benchmark for great American crime films.

Opening minutes

The Maltese Falcon

Another benchmark for great American crime films.

Opening minutes

Police Academy 3

Jokingly cited as a rewatchables alternative.

Opening minutes

Running Scared

Mentioned as another favorite that could have been discussed instead.

Opening minutes

The Dark Knight

Used as a contrast for a huge, culture-shifting rewatchables subject.

Opening minutes

Godfather Part II

Compared to Zodiac as a rewatchable movie that reveals new things on repeat viewings.

Opening minutes

Mad Men

Used to describe Zodiac as more about professional procedures and workplace texture than thriller mechanics.

About 8 min

Seven

A Fincher comparison point that the hosts say Zodiac is unlike in structure.

About 8 min

Mindhunter

Discussed as a later Fincher project that revisits Zodiac's concerns about language and serial killers.

About 8 min

Boogie Nights

Used to illustrate a familiar character arc that Zodiac intentionally lacks.

Opening minutes

All the President's Men

Cited as a tonal and structural cousin to Zodiac.

About 8 min

The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford

Used as another example of a film that feels like it contains an extra movie beyond the expected ending.

About 8 min

The Shining

Referenced as an example of uncanny horror staging, especially a staircase scene.

About 16 min

The Graduate

Used to describe an ending where triumph dissipates rather than resolves cleanly.

About 24 min

House of Cards

Mentioned as an example of Fincher moving toward television-like storytelling.

About 8 min · medium confidence
10 Running jokes and short linesRecurring bits captured from the conversation

Pen strokes for a K

A brief cold-open joke about handwriting becomes a temperature check for the episode.

Opening minutes

That Guy all-star team

The ensemble of character actors is celebrated as a ridiculous lineup of recognizable faces.

About 48 min

Aquavelva

Downey's character's drink order becomes a shorthand for the bar scene and newsroom world.

About 16 min

Bullet / Toshi / Dave Toschi

The detectives' nicknames and cop shorthand recur as part of the movie's authenticity.

About 8 min

Human body fat is sacred

A joke about Gary Oldman's size in casting discussions turns into a recurring digression.

About 56 min

Chris Ryan

“This is my favorite film”
Opening minutes

Andy Greenwald

“It is not a fun rewatch”
Opening minutes

Sean Fennessey

“What do you do for fun?”
About 16 min

Sean Fennessey

“You wouldn't make fun of it”
About 16 min

Chris Ryan

“Those are the same things”
About 16 min

MAKE IT A MOVIE NIGHT

Where to watch

UNITED STATES

Checking where Zodiac is available…

WHAT TO WATCH NEXT

Movies to watch before and after.

Three movies to watch before Zodiac, and three to watch next.

Finding six movies…Three to watch first and three to watch next.
Includes a Rewatchables episodePosters from TMDB.

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3 voices on this episode

Chris Ryan headshotChris RyanThe Rewatchables
Sean Fennessey headshotSean FennesseyThe Rewatchables
Andy GreenwaldThe Rewatchables

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