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THE REWATCHABLES · July 23, 2019

Top Gun

A 1986 action / adventure directed by Tony Scott, covered in the complete Rewatchables archive.

ActionAdventure1980sDirected by Tony Scott
Overall episode#86Source sheet order
Movie year19861980s
Tomatometer57%Critics’ score
Metacritic51View score
Roger Ebert—No review recorded
DirectorTony ScottAction / Adventure

FROM THE CONVERSATION

What they said about the movie

The panel treats Top Gun as a defining 1980s blockbuster: a star-making vehicle for Tom Cruise, a tactile showcase for real jets and Tony Scott style, and a movie that is both sincerely loved and funnier in hindsight than it was at release. They argue it works as military fantasy, sports movie, music-video spectacle, and accidental queer text all at once.
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WHY IT WORKS

What made it rewatchable

  1. 01Real jet footage and practical spectacle still feel immersive and tactile. Opening minutes
  2. 02The movie captures peak 1980s style, sound, and vibe. Opening minutes
  3. 03Tom Cruise's star-making performance and iconic Maverick persona drive repeated viewing. Opening minutes
  4. 04The soundtrack and needle-drop energy are central to the movie's rewatchability. Opening minutes
  5. 05The movie's unintentional comedy is part of its lasting appeal. About 8 min

WHAT DID NOT WORK

Their main criticisms

  1. moderateThe film can feel like a naval recruitment video that sidesteps real geopolitical stakes. About 8 min
  2. moderateTom Cruise and Kelly McGillis have little convincing romantic chemistry. About 8 min
  3. minorSome dialogue and relationship beats are so awkward they read as unintentional comedy. About 24 min
  4. minorThe plot mechanics around the Indian Ocean mission and Top Gun graduation are pretty implausible. About 40 min
  5. majorThe ladies' room follow and shower scene would be unacceptable now. About 1:04

SCENES THEY KEPT COMING BACK TO

Standout moments

Favorite

Opening carrier launch and deck prep

The film's opening sweep of the carrier, deck crew, and first jet launch is cited as pure immersive spectacle.

Opening minutes
Favorite

You've Lost That Lovin' Feelin' serenade

The bar serenade is treated as ludicrous, public, and iconic, with the live mic and choreography as part of the joke.

About 24 min
Favorite

Beach volleyball

The volleyball game in jeans and sunglasses is the episode's signature example of eroticized 80s excess.

About 8 min
positive

Great Balls of Fire double date

The piano-singalong scene is valued for establishing Goose's bond and the movie's offbeat social world.

About 40 min
positive

Goose's death / ejection failure

The tragedy is acknowledged as emotional, shocking, and central to the film's stakes.

About 40 min
positive

Top Gun graduation and emergency call-up

The graduation-to-combat pivot is admired as absurdly heightened and emblematic of the movie's fantasy logic.

About 48 min
Favorite

Final dogfight and landing celebration

The climactic aerial battle and post-mission celebration are treated as the movie's biggest payoff.

About 48 min
critical

Bathroom follow / shower at Charlie's house

Maverick following Charlie into the bathroom and asking to shower at her house are called creepy or insane by modern standards.

About 56 min

WHERE THEY DISAGREED

The biggest debates

They partly agreed About 8 min

Is Top Gun intentionally or accidentally homoerotic?

Bill Simmons

The movie is clearly eroticized and seems designed with that gaze in mind.

Mallory Rubin

It reads as erotic propaganda more than a straightforward romance.

Chris Ryan

It is loaded with 1980s male spectacle and subtext.

They partly agreed About 24 min

Does Maverick and Charlie's romance actually have chemistry?

Mallory Rubin

Mostly no; she sees the scene as confusing and public rather than romantic.

Bill Simmons

The chemistry is weak, though the movie tries to sell it.

Jason Concepcion

The movie reaches for attraction more than it lands it.

They partly agreed About 8 min

Most rewatchable scene

Bill Simmons

Beach volleyball or the final dogfight, depending on the moment.

Chris Ryan

The beach volleyball scene is the funniest and most iconic.

Jason Concepcion

The final dogfight and landing celebration are the payoff.

They partly agreed About 40 min

Was Goose's death telegraphed or surprising?

Bill Simmons

It works emotionally even if you know it's coming.

Chris Ryan

The movie clearly builds toward it.

They partly agreed About 8 min

How does the movie work as military fantasy?

Bill Simmons

It functions as patriotic spectacle without much geopolitical explanation.

Jason Concepcion

The cool factor remains the point, even if the politics are thin.

15 People discussedActors, directors, writers, and producers
very favorableTom CruiseBill Simmons: Praised as the movie's star-making force and a fully committed physical performer. Opening minutes mixedKelly McGillisChris Ryan: Discussed as iconic but with underwhelming chemistry opposite Cruise. About 8 min very favorableVal KilmerJason Concepcion: Celebrated as Iceman and as a bizarre, memorable scene-stealer. About 8 min favorableAnthony EdwardsBill Simmons: Liked as Goose and praised for his chemistry with Meg Ryan. About 32 min favorableMeg RyanMallory Rubin: Seen as part of one of the movie's best relationship dynamics and an early star-making turn. About 32 min very favorableTony ScottBill Simmons: Admired for glossy, immersive, eroticized blockbuster direction. Opening minutes favorableJerry BruckheimerJason Concepcion: Mentioned for helping lure Cruise into the project. About 16 min neutralRoger EbertBill Simmons: Cited for a mixed review that admired the dogfights but criticized the dialogue. About 24 min favorableTom SkerrittMallory Rubin: Praised as a strong mustache-sporting mentor figure. About 48 min neutralRick RossovichBill Simmons: Mentioned mainly as part of the film's supporting-player ecosystem and later career comparison. About 1:04 · medium confidencefavorableHarold FaltermeyerBill Simmons: Credited with the Grammy-winning instrumental contribution associated with the film's sound. About 24 min favorableKenny LogginsChris Ryan: Praised as part of the film's soundtrack identity. Opening minutes
neutralChristine FoxNamed as the real-life basis for Charlie. About 1:04
neutralRandy Duke CunninghamClaims the Maverick character was based on him. About 1:04
neutralArt SchollMentioned as the aerobatic pilot who died during production filming. About 1:04
11 Conversation takesSpeakers shown only where the transcript identifies them
Bill SimmonsLoved it

Top Gun as a Tom Cruise star-maker

Bill says the movie made Cruise a megastar and created the Cruise persona that followed for years.

Opening minutes
Chris RyanLoved it

Top Gun as the essence of the eighties

Chris argues the film is the sound, look, and attitude of the decade.

Opening minutes
Jason ConcepcionLoved it

Tony Scott's tactile spectacle

Jason loves how the movie immerses viewers in the world of carrier operations and flight.

Opening minutes
Bill SimmonsLoved it

Beach volleyball scene

Bill treats the volleyball sequence as a defining piece of both eroticism and comedy.

About 8 min
Mallory RubinMixed

The romantic scene at Charlie's house

Mallory thinks the seduction is weirdly appealing but also public, embarrassing, and too showy.

About 24 min
Bill SimmonsLoved it

Val Kilmer as Iceman

Bill loves Kilmer's weird, icy, scene-dominating performance.

About 8 min
Chris RyanLoved it

Tom Cruise's physical commitment

Chris emphasizes Cruise as the kind of actor who fully sells impossible physical action.

About 8 min
Jason ConcepcionMixed

Top Gun as a recruitment fantasy

Jason acknowledges the military propaganda feel while still loving the movie's cool factor.

About 8 min
Mallory RubinLoved it

Tom Skerritt as Viper

Mallory praises Skerritt's balance of authority, warmth, and intimidation.

About 48 min
Bill SimmonsLoved it

Goose's death

Bill calls Goose's death emotional and hugely rewatchable despite the tragedy.

About 40 min
Bill SimmonsLoved it

Top Gun Maverick anticipation

Bill is very excited about the sequel and jokes that the podcast is part of the campaign to get an early screening.

About 1:20
5 ThemesThe larger ideas in the discussion

1980s spectacle and style

The movie is treated as a perfect artifact of Reagan-era blockbuster culture, MTV aesthetics, and glossy eighties fashion.

Opening minutes

Military fantasy versus reality

The panel sees the movie as cool fantasy first, with little realism about warfare or military life.

About 8 min

Male bonding and homoerotic subtext

They repeatedly discuss the movie's eroticized male gaze, beach volleyball, and broader queer reading.

About 8 min

Tom Cruise persona formation

This is presented as the birth of Cruise's long-running screen identity: cocky, physical, and dangerously likable.

Opening minutes

Accidental comedy over time

Several scenes that were likely meant seriously are now cherished because they are unintentionally funny.

About 16 min
25 Facts and referencesProduction notes and other movies mentioned

Production note

The episode was done as an 'emergency Rewatchables' after the Top Gun Maverick trailer got everyone excited.

Opening minutes

Production note

The film won the Oscar for 'Take My Breath Away' and had other soundtrack accolades mentioned on air.

About 24 min

Production note

The movie grossed about $356 million on a $15 million budget.

About 24 min

Production note

The Navy reportedly saw recruitment spikes after the movie, and the hosts say bases were set up in movie theaters.

About 8 min · medium confidence

Production note

The film's inspiration came from a California magazine article titled 'Top Guns'.

About 1:04

Production note

A stunt pilot, Art Scholl, died during production filming and the movie is dedicated to him.

About 1:04

Production note

Tony Scott reportedly said he was making 'soft porn' and used baby oil on the volleyball scene.

About 16 min

Production note

Kelly McGillis was taller than Tom Cruise, and a trench was allegedly dug for the ending scene to match heights.

About 1:12

Production note

The film's dogfight and flight scenes were more impressive on a theater screen than on TV, according to the hosts.

About 1:04

Production note

A Kansas City Barbecue restaurant location is mentioned as a filming site for two scenes.

About 1:04

Days of Thunder

Used as a Tom Cruise comparison: 'Top Gun with cars.'

Opening minutes

Reservoir Dogs

The episode explains that the planned Reservoir Dogs Rewatchables was bumped for this emergency Top Gun show.

Opening minutes

Stranger Things

Used to compare other 80s signifiers to Top Gun as the real eighties artifact.

Opening minutes

Miami Vice

Cited as an influence on the movie's music-video style and mood.

About 8 min

Platoon

Used to show that the same year still contained a more anti-war vision.

About 8 min

Beverly Hills Cop

Mentioned in connection with Harold Faltermeyer and 80s soundtrack/box-office synergy.

About 24 min

Foxery / Fox?

The review of Ebert quotes Firefox as a benchmark for aerial scenes.

About 24 min · medium confidence

The Bachelor

Mallory compares Charlie's scene setup to a Bachelor gimmick and limo introduction bit.

About 24 min

MacGruber

The sex scene is called the inspiration for the MacGruber sex scene.

About 56 min

Basic Instinct

Used as another movie that messed with their idea of sex/romance on screen.

About 56 min

Fast Times at Ridgemont High

Referenced for the carrot/blowjob lesson comparison to Top Gun's sex scene.

About 56 min

Battlestar Galactica

Used in a side joke about call signs and the Viper shirt.

About 8 min

Starbuck

Cited as another cool call sign in the broader alternate-identity discussion.

About 8 min

Top Gun: Maverick

The sequel is discussed repeatedly as the reason for doing the emergency episode and as a source of anticipation.

Opening minutes

The Matrix

Used as a joke analogy for the volleyball game spreading through Miramar.

About 24 min
10 Running jokes and short linesRecurring bits captured from the conversation

Buzz the tower / emergency rewatchables

The hosts repeatedly riff on famous Top Gun lines and the fact that this was a rushed, trailer-driven episode.

Opening minutes

Call sign brainstorming

They spend a long stretch trading favorite call signs and joking about alternate identities.

About 8 min

Baby oil / volleyball soft porn

The volleyball scene becomes a recurring joke about sweat, baby oil, and eroticized athleticism.

About 8 min

Tom Cruise as 11-year-old adult

Multiple jokes frame Cruise as someone whose ideas about romance, sex, and mature behavior are childlike.

About 56 min

Maverick's bathroom/shower logic

The hosts keep returning to the strange logic of asking to shower at Charlie's house and how that relates to sex.

About 1:04

Mallory Rubin

“That's a crime.”
About 1:04

Bill Simmons

“Son, your ego is writing checks”
About 48 min

Bill Simmons

“Take me to bed or lose me forever.”
About 32 min

Bill Simmons

“The list is long but distinguished.”
About 1:20

Bill Simmons

“I am dangerous.”
About 8 min

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