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THE REWATCHABLES · March 15, 2022

Titanic

A 1997 romance / disaster directed by James Cameron, covered in the complete Rewatchables archive.

RomanceDisaster1990sDirected by James Cameron

ON THIS EPISODE

Overall episode#245Source sheet order
Movie year19971990s
Tomatometer88%Critics’ score
Metacritic75View score
Roger Ebert4/4Original star rating
DirectorJames CameronRomance / Disaster

FROM THE CONVERSATION

What they said about the movie

A celebratory but very opinionated reassessment of Titanic as a huge, unusually rewatchable blockbuster. Bill and Van praise James Cameron’s scale, the Leo/Kate star-making performances, and the film’s emotional power, while spending a long stretch arguing that Rose is selfish and morally suspect. The episode is affectionate, funny, and argumentative, with the Rose debate becoming the central running joke.
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WHY IT WORKS

What made it rewatchable

  1. 01The movie is easy to jump into at almost any point because the sinking section is so gripping. Opening minutes
  2. 02The love story and disaster elements are both compelling, creating a rare blend of romance and spectacle. Opening minutes
  3. 03Leo and Winslet’s youthful performances make the film feel alive and star-making on rewatch. About 8 min
  4. 04James Cameron’s craftsmanship makes even the framing device and exposition highly watchable. About 8 min
  5. 05The sinking sequence is an overwhelming set-piece with lots of small beats that reward repeat viewing. About 48 min

WHAT DID NOT WORK

Their main criticisms

  1. majorRose is described as selfish, deceptive, and ungrateful toward Jack and her later husband. About 32 min
  2. moderateThe Billy Zane performance is seen as over-the-top and almost SNL-like. About 1:04
  3. minorThe film’s runtime and some supporting details are treated as excess or contrivance, though mostly in a joking way. About 1:04

SCENES THEY KEPT COMING BACK TO

Standout moments

positive

Bill Paxton wreck-investigation frame

The modern-day search for the Titanic wreck is treated as surprisingly compelling and essential.

About 16 min
Favorite

Dinner party speech

Jack’s champagne-and-air-in-my-lungs speech is singled out as Leo’s best showcase of charisma.

About 48 min
Favorite

Jack and Rose at the front of the ship

The flying-at-the-bow moment is cited as one of the film’s signature romantic images.

About 56 min
positive

Drawing scene

The nude drawing scene is noted as iconic and formative for many viewers.

About 56 min
Favorite

Iceberg impact

The collision and immediate aftermath are praised as expertly staged and chilling.

About 1:04
Favorite

Spit in Cal’s face

Rose’s defiant spit is described as a theater-paralyzing moment.

About 1:04
Favorite

Boat breaking in half

The catastrophic mid-sinking sequence is treated as a horror-movie pivot and a technical marvel.

About 1:04
positive

Captain Smith’s final moments

The captain’s shell-shocked end is praised as haunting and effective.

About 1:04
mixed

Rose and the handcuffs / axe rescue

The rescue of Jack is thrilling but also a point of frustration because it depends on huge luck.

About 1:20
Favorite

Final heaven/boat reunion

The ending is described as breathtaking and emotionally satisfying.

About 1:12

WHERE THEY DISAGREED

The biggest debates

They left it as a friendly argument About 32 min

Whether Rose is a good character or a deeply selfish one

Van Lathan

Rose is awful: she cheats, endangers Jack, ignores her husband, and throws away the necklace.

Bill Simmons

Mostly agrees and adds more examples to prove Rose is selfish.

Craig Horlbeck

Rose is being unfairly attacked; her choices are understandable and emotionally meaningful.

No final agreement About 1:20

Whether Jack could have fit on the floating door/raft

Bill Simmons

They probably could have both fit, and Jack should have kept trying.

Van Lathan

Jack probably accepted his fate after the best day of his life and froze to death.

They partly agreed About 1:12

Which actor should have played Cal

Bill Simmons

Billy Zane is the correct, if exaggerated, choice.

Van Lathan

Matt Damon or Ben Affleck could have worked; Fraser maybe not.

They partly agreed About 1:20

What qualifies as Leo’s apex mountain

Bill Simmons

Titanic is Leo’s apex because it made him the biggest star in the world.

Van Lathan

The Departed may be his apex because it feels more like his career peak as an actor.

15 People discussedActors, directors, writers, and producers
very favorableLeonardo DiCaprioBill Simmons: Praised as the biggest star in the world after Titanic and one of the defining actors of the era. About 8 min favorableKate WinsletBill Simmons: Praised as one of the best actresses of the last 50 years and a major part of the film’s longevity. About 8 min very favorableJames CameronBill Simmons: Credited for making a huge, emotional, technically masterful blockbuster and for his obsessive filmmaking style. About 8 min favorableBill PaxtonVan Lathan: Liked as the framing-device explorer whose scenes unexpectedly work well. About 16 min favorableKathy BatesBill Simmons: Valued as the grounding, sympathetic presence who helps bridge Rose and Jack’s worlds. About 48 min criticalBilly ZaneBill Simmons: Considered over-the-top, but still an effective and memorable villain. About 1:04 criticalRobert AltmanBill Simmons: Quoted as having hated Titanic as 'the most dreadful piece of work.' About 1:04 criticalWilliam GoldmanBill Simmons: Quoted praising the movie while singling out the Billy Zane role as astonishingly bad. About 1:04 favorableRoger EbertBill Simmons: Used as an authoritative positive review source for the film. About 1:12 mixedMatt DamonVan Lathan: Discussed as a possible Cal; Van thinks he could have worked, but not as well as Billy Zane. About 1:12 favorableBen AffleckVan Lathan: Mentioned as a possible Cal who would fit the size and East Coast-shithead energy. About 1:12 neutralBrendan FraserVan Lathan: Mentioned as a possible alternative, but Van doubts he could play evil convincingly. About 1:12 · medium confidenceneutralJohnny DeppBill Simmons: Cited as having said he turned down Jack because he disliked the script. About 1:12 neutralMatthew McConaugheyBill Simmons: Mentioned as another reported Jack candidate, though the hosts are skeptical. About 1:12 neutralRobert De NiroBill Simmons: Said to have been offered Captain Smith before dropping out due to illness. About 1:20
13 Conversation takesSpeakers shown only where the transcript identifies them
Bill SimmonsLoved it

Titanic as a rewatchable blockbuster

Calls it the definition of a rewatchable movie and says it remains engrossing at any point.

Opening minutes
Van LathanLoved it

Titanic as a cultural event

Says the film was a defining love story and a major lesson in Hollywood madness.

Opening minutes
Bill SimmonsLoved it

James Cameron’s direction

Argues Cameron deserved the money and accolades because he made a grand, emotional, technically perfect movie.

About 8 min
Van LathanStrongly disliked it

Rose

Argues Rose is selfish, manipulative, and morally compromised throughout the film.

About 32 min
Bill SimmonsLoved it

Jack

Treats Jack as the pure good core of the movie and marvels at how fully likable he is.

About 40 min
Van LathanLoved it

Leo DiCaprio as Jack

Admires how DiCaprio carries the role with star charisma and confidence.

About 48 min
Bill SimmonsLoved it

The dinner-party speech and class confrontation

Sees Leo’s speech at dinner as one of the film’s best sequences and proof of his movie-star presence.

About 48 min
Van LathanLiked it

The modern-day wreck-investigation frame

Says the Bill Paxton frame narrative should not work but ends up riveting.

About 16 min
Bill SimmonsLoved it

The sinking sequence

Describes the disaster section as overwhelmingly rewatchable and full of unforgettable beats.

About 48 min
Van LathanLoved it

Titanic’s cultural dominance

Frames the film as one of the last true monoculture events in pop culture.

About 8 min
Bill SimmonsLoved it

Leonardo DiCaprio’s stardom

Says Leo became the biggest star in the world and maintained mystique by keeping his private life out of the spotlight.

About 32 min
Van LathanLoved it

Leonardo DiCaprio’s mystique

Says Leo’s whole career is about the work, not scandals or oversharing.

About 32 min
Bill SimmonsLiked it

Boogie Nights vs Titanic for Leo

Argues Leo made the right choice taking Titanic over Boogie Nights, even though Boogie Nights would also have worked.

About 1:28
5 ThemesThe larger ideas in the discussion

Class and social hierarchy

The film contrasts first-class luxury with third-class struggle and treats class snobbery as part of the ship’s downfall.

About 48 min

Mortality and survival

The sinking forces characters to reveal who they are when they know they may die, which the hosts see as central to the movie.

About 32 min

Star-making celebrity

The film is framed as a generational event that turned Leonardo DiCaprio and Kate Winslet into lasting stars.

About 8 min

Monoculture and media frenzy

The hosts describe Titanic as one of the last movies to dominate culture across music, TV, gossip, and backlash.

About 8 min

James Cameron as a grand-scale auteur

They admire Cameron as a self-serious dreamer who builds films like major events and gets away with it.

About 8 min
25 Facts and referencesProduction notes and other movies mentioned

Production note

Titanic was number one at the box office for 16 straight weeks.

Opening minutes

Production note

Leonardo DiCaprio was 23 when Titanic came out, and Kate Winslet was 22.

About 24 min

Production note

The movie was nominated for 14 Oscars and won 11.

About 1:12

Production note

Titanic was the first film to make over $1 billion.

About 1:12

Production note

James Cameron produced, directed, wrote, and edited the film.

About 1:12

Production note

The film’s runtime mirrors the real sinking timeline of about 2 hours and 40 minutes.

About 1:20

Production note

Cameron made 12 dives to the wreck and became obsessed with it.

About 1:20

Production note

The actual Heart of the Ocean necklace prop was auctioned for $2.2 million for Princess Diana’s charity.

About 1:20

Production note

Cameron’s code name for the movie was 'Planet Ice.'

About 1:20

Production note

The crew nicknamed Cameron 'the midge' and made T-shirts about it.

About 1:20

The Town

Bill plugs Matt Bellany’s new show at the top of the episode.

Opening minutes

Crohn’s disease / Tremphia

Ad read at the top of the episode.

Opening minutes

Angry Orchard

Halloween ad read referencing scary movies.

Opening minutes

Gone with the Wind

Used as a comparison for Titanic’s generational cultural status.

About 8 min

The Godfather

Used as another example of a movie with huge cultural and historical weight.

Opening minutes

Waterworld

Referenced as a disaster-production cautionary tale that Titanic was expected to resemble.

Opening minutes

Love Jones

Van uses it as another defining love story from that era of his life.

About 8 min

The Shining

Compared to Titanic in the way the movie shifts from one mode to another.

About 32 min

The Departed

Used as a possible apex mountain for DiCaprio.

About 1:20

Catch Me If You Can

Van calls it his favorite DiCaprio movie and says it’s a different kind of performance from Titanic.

About 48 min

Boogie Nights

Discussed as the alternative role Leo turned down.

About 1:28

The Offer

Referenced as a show about the making of The Godfather.

About 16 min

My Heart Will Go On

Cited as part of the movie’s full pop-cultural takeover.

About 8 min

Independence Day

Mentioned as another disaster/spectacle benchmark in the same era.

About 16 min

Terminator 2

Used in discussion of James Cameron and of the actress playing Molly Brown’s mother.

About 16 min
10 Running jokes and short linesRecurring bits captured from the conversation

Rose slander

Bill and Van repeatedly attack Rose’s morals and choices, turning it into the episode’s biggest comic bit.

About 32 min

'I always win'

Bill jokes that he always wins against Van, used as a teasing callback during the episode.

Opening minutes

Hated-beloved movie / backlash cycle

They discuss Titanic as one of the most hated-yet-loved movies ever made and a template for backlash.

About 16 min

Jack and Rose as heaven reunion

Bill and Van joke that Rose ends up in heaven with Jack while her husband gets left behind.

About 32 min

Kathy Bates as the good person among bad people

Molly Brown is used as a reference point for the film’s moral balance and class dynamics.

About 48 min

Bill Simmons

“Titanic is next. On December 19th.”
Opening minutes

Van Lathan

“It was the defining love story.”
About 8 min

Bill Simmons

“I always win, Van, one way or another.”
Opening minutes

Van Lathan

“Rose sucks. Rose is a terrible character.”
About 32 min

Bill Simmons

“I’m the king of the world”
About 56 min

MAKE IT A MOVIE NIGHT

Where to watch

UNITED STATES

Checking where Titanic is available…

WHAT TO WATCH NEXT

Movies to watch before and after.

Three movies to watch before Titanic, and three to watch next.

Finding six movies…Three to watch first and three to watch next.
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