A highly admiring, joke-filled discussion of Thief as an early Michael Mann statement: a precision crime film about work, codes, procedure, wet-city visuals, prison experience, and a doomed attempt at normal life. The hosts praise James Caan's intensity, Prosky's menace, Tangerine Dream's score, and the movie's Chicago atmosphere, while noting a few narrative and ending issues.
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01It is packed with signature Michael Mann visuals and procedure: rain-slick streets, neon, tools, safecracking, and meticulous job detail. Opening minutes
02James Caan's performance provides constant rewatch value through volatility, tenderness, and rage. About 16 min
03The diner and prison scenes are singled out as especially memorable and intense. About 24 min
04The supporting cast, especially Robert Prosky, Dennis Farina, and Tuesday Weld, gives the movie a rich character-movie feel. About 1:04
05Tangerine Dream's score is treated as a major part of the film's rewatch appeal. About 48 min
WHAT DID NOT WORK
Their main criticisms
moderateThe ending is a little unsatisfying or too abbreviated, especially the missing reunion with the girlfriend and the final escape beat. About 40 min
minorWillie Nelson's casting is fun but can feel stunt-like and slightly out of place. About 48 min
minorThe Razzie nomination for the score is treated as a deeply wrong call. About 56 min
SCENES THEY KEPT COMING BACK TO
Standout moments
Favorite
Plating company confrontation
Frank storms into the plating company and demands his $185,000, establishing his fearlessness and the movie's hard-boiled tone.
About 24 min Favorite
Prison diner confession
Frank and the prison contact trade intense, almost erotic eye contact while Frank tells his prison backstory.
About 24 min Favorite
Frank and Tuesday Weld in the car and at the diner
Their relationship accelerates absurdly fast, which the hosts find both funny and compelling.
About 32 min Favorite
Prasky's adoption-agency meeting
Prosky's negotiation to buy Frank a child becomes one of the film's funniest and most disturbing scenes.
About 56 min mixed
Final heist and shootout
The climax is satisfying revenge but some of the mechanics and aftermath feel slightly underdeveloped.
About 1:04
WHERE THEY DISAGREED
The biggest debates
They partly agreed About 40 min
Whether the ending should have reunited Frank with Tuesday Weld
Bill Simmons
Would have liked a brief return to the girlfriend for more emotional satisfaction.
Chris Ryan
Understands the bleak choice and accepts that Frank must return to having nothing.
No final agreement About 1:12
Who wins the movie: Caan versus Prosky versus Mann
Bill Simmons
Initially wants Caan, then says Mann wins.
Chris Ryan
Caan is the obvious winner.
Sean Fennessey
Prosky is one of the great crime-movie villains and a major winner.
They partly agreed About 24 min
Whether Willie Nelson is a good actor
Chris Ryan
Not sure he is a good actor, but he is enjoyable in the movie.
Sean Fennessey
Also likes him in the role despite the oddness.
They agreed About 8 min
How closely Heat relates to Thief
Chris Ryan
Heat does not rip off Thief, but both films share Mann DNA.
Sean Fennessey
Says Mann's movies are all variations on a single theme.
10 People discussedActors, directors, writers, and producers
favorableJericho MileBill Simmons: Cited as Mann's earlier TV movie and described as one of the best sports movies ever made. Opening minutes · medium confidence
favorableHeatChris Ryan: Used as the main comparison point for Mann's recurring themes and style. About 8 min
