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THE REWATCHABLES · June 23, 2022

The Untouchables

A 1987 crime / drama directed by Brian De Palma, covered in the complete Rewatchables archive.

CrimeDrama1980sDirected by Brian De Palma

ON THIS EPISODE

Overall episode#260Source sheet order
Movie year19871980s
Tomatometer83%Critics’ score
Metacritic79View score
Roger Ebert—No review recorded
DirectorBrian De PalmaCrime / Drama

FROM THE CONVERSATION

What they said about the movie

The hosts frame The Untouchables as a highly entertaining, very rewatchable studio crime movie built from elite casting, De Palma style, Mamet dialogue, and a clever use of Costner, Connery, De Niro, and Garcia. They praise its craftsmanship and set pieces while noting issues like Connery’s accent, Patricia Clarkson’s thin role, and some corny or overlong stretches.
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WHY IT WORKS

What made it rewatchable

  1. 01Elite ensemble casting at the right career moments, especially Costner as a breakout lead and De Niro as a lurking heavy. Opening minutes
  2. 02De Palma’s visual set pieces and Morricone score make the movie feel engineered for repeated viewing. About 8 min
  3. 03Memorable action sequences, especially the train-station baby-carriage scene and the elevator shooting. About 32 min
  4. 04It becomes easy to drop into on TV because the movie is engaging even when only partially watched. About 32 min

WHAT DID NOT WORK

Their main criticisms

  1. majorConnery’s Irish accent is distracting and widely regarded as one of the movie’s weakest elements. About 8 min
  2. moderatePatricia Clarkson’s wife role is underwritten and adds little beyond reinforcing Ness’s wholesome home life. About 40 min
  3. moderateThe last stretch feels a bit corny and overly Hollywood, especially Ness’s tougher dialogue and final lines. About 1:12 · medium confidence
  4. minorThe movie takes a while to fully get going, with a long opening before the central story locks in. About 40 min

SCENES THEY KEPT COMING BACK TO

Standout moments

Favorite

Capone introduction in the barber shop

The opening Capone scene is praised as a perfect villain introduction, with the overhead shaving image and immediate threat.

About 32 min
Favorite

Chicago Way speech

Connery’s explanation of how to get Capone is treated as one of the film’s defining lines.

About 32 min
positive

Bridge meeting between Malone and Ness

They like the first Malone/Ness meeting as a crisp introduction of Connery’s character.

About 40 min
Favorite

Train-station staircase and baby carriage

The set piece is praised as a masterpiece and the movie’s most famous action sequence.

About 32 min
positive

Roof confrontation with Nitti

Ness throwing Nitti off the roof is remembered as a strong payoff, even if they joke about the exact mechanics.

About 40 min
Favorite

Malone’s death and elevator blood trail

The elevator kill and its blood-writing image are singled out as vividly memorable.

About 32 min

WHERE THEY DISAGREED

The biggest debates

They partly agreed About 32 min

Whether Connery deserved the supporting actor Oscar over Albert Brooks

Bill Simmons

Brooks should probably have won.

Chris Ryan

Connery is still very good and the win is understandable.

They partly agreed About 32 min

Whether the film is morally too comfortable

Bill Simmons

The movie mostly plays the morality straight but hints at real compromise.

Speaker not identified

The movie is morally banal and too comfortable, though still a great potboiler.

They agreed About 32 min · medium confidence

How much of the film works as an adaptation of real history

Bill Simmons

The movie plays loose with the real facts but is still dramatically effective.

Chris Ryan

The film’s fiction and compression are fine because it works as a great audience movie.

No final agreement About 1:12

Who really won the movie

Bill Simmons

Connery or Costner, leaning Costner.

Craig Horlbeck

Connery because he jumps off the screen each time.

Chris Ryan

Costner’s star-making year may make him the bigger winner.

12 People discussedActors, directors, writers, and producers
very favorableKevin CostnerBill Simmons: Praised as the film’s breakout lead and the perfect young star to anchor the movie. Opening minutes favorableRobert De NiroBill Simmons: Viewed as a strong, intimidating presence despite limited screen time, with the hosts noting he needed the film at that career stage. About 8 min favorableSean ConneryChris Ryan: Admired for charisma and comic gravitas, though the accent is heavily mocked. About 8 min favorableBrian De PalmaChris Ryan: Celebrated as a visual stylist who makes the movie feel dynamic and unmistakably cinematic. About 8 min favorableDavid MametBill Simmons: Credited as the secret ingredient for sharp, memorable dialogue that never overwhelms the movie. About 16 min favorableAndy GarciaBill Simmons: Cited as a scouting success whose small role announces a major future star. About 24 min mixedPatricia ClarksonBill Simmons: Her role is considered thin, though the hosts think the character is meant to contrast Capone’s world with Ness’s domestic life. About 40 min criticalRoger EbertBill Simmons: Cited as giving the film two-and-a-half stars and not fully appreciating it. About 32 min mixedPauline KaelBill Simmons: Her review is used to support a critique of the movie’s moral simplicity, though the hosts still call it a great audience movie. About 32 min favorableAlbert BrooksBill Simmons: Mentioned as the stronger Oscar alternative to Connery for Broadcast News-era recognition. About 32 min neutralDon JohnsonChris Ryan: Presented as an alternate casting idea for Ness that might have worked as a more swaggering version of the role. About 48 min neutralMickey RourkeBill Simmons: Listed among actors who were reportedly considered for Ness, but not as a strong fit as Costner. About 48 min · medium confidence
8 Conversation takesSpeakers shown only where the transcript identifies them
Bill SimmonsLoved it

The Untouchables as a film blueprint

Argues the movie is a prototype for how to construct a big studio film with the right star, director, writer, and supporting players.

Opening minutes
Chris RyanLoved it

De Palma’s visual direction

Sees De Palma as one of the best pure visual directors, with scenes that are memorable because of camera movement and staging.

About 8 min
Bill SimmonsLoved it

Kevin Costner

Thinks Costner is the ideal young lead here and that the movie launches him into superstardom.

About 24 min
Chris RyanLoved it

Sean Connery

Acknowledges the accent problem but still sees Connery as magnetic and powerful enough to dominate scenes.

About 8 min
Bill SimmonsLiked it

Robert De Niro

Thinks De Niro’s brief role works perfectly because he appears like a lurking shark rather than an overused villain.

About 8 min
Bill SimmonsMixed

The movie’s ending

Feels the final stretch gets a little corny and more Hollywood than the rest of the picture.

About 1:12 · medium confidence
Chris RyanLoved it

The baby-carriage train station sequence

Treats the set piece as the movie’s signature sequence and a De Palma triumph built from a budget workaround.

About 32 min
Bill SimmonsLiked it

Prohibition

Enjoys Prohibition as a dramatic setting and as “great content” for movies.

About 40 min
4 ThemesThe larger ideas in the discussion

Professional craftsmanship

The hosts admire the movie as a model of studio moviemaking, where casting, design, cinematography, and music all work together cleanly.

Opening minutes

The rise of the modern movie star

They use the film to discuss Costner, De Niro, and Connery at key career inflection points.

About 8 min

Morality versus practicality

The film presents Ness as a moral square who still has to bend rules to beat Capone, though the hosts think the movie doesn’t fully grapple with that tension.

About 24 min

Prohibition as a movie setting

They treat Prohibition Chicago as rich, vivid material that still plays well on screen.

About 40 min
23 Facts and referencesProduction notes and other movies mentioned

Production note

De Palma originally planned a much larger train-station shootout, but budget limits forced the famous staircase version.

About 32 min

Production note

De Niro reportedly wanted an extra scene and more weight gain concerns for Capone.

About 56 min · medium confidence

Production note

Costner met former FBI agent Al Wallace Wolf while preparing for Ness.

About 56 min

Production note

The movie was budgeted around $20 million and made about $106 million.

Opening minutes

Production note

The screenplay was originally to be written by Wendy Wasserstein before Mamet took over.

About 16 min

Production note

Bob Hoskins was reportedly sent $200,000 after losing the Capone role to De Niro.

About 48 min

Production note

The film was nominated for four Oscars and Connery won supporting actor.

About 32 min

Production note

The baby in the carriage sequence is described as the stuntman’s son.

About 40 min · medium confidence

The Sting

Used as the comparison for Prohibition-era cinema and a bigger Prohibition movie benchmark.

About 24 min

Once Upon a Time in America

Cited by Ebert as the superior gangster-era film and discussed by the hosts as a long, more divisive movie.

About 32 min

Jaws

De Niro’s Capone is compared to the shark: a lurking threat that is barely seen but always felt.

About 8 min

Blackboard Jungle

Mentioned as the origin of the famous “play the music” energy in another context of the podcast feed, not central here.

Opening minutes · low confidence

Battleship Potemkin

De Palma’s stairway sequence is explicitly linked to the Odessa Steps montage.

About 32 min

Mission Impossible

Used as a benchmark for De Palma’s commercial success and older Connery comparisons are also discussed through later films.

About 8 min

The Rock

Referenced as a later Connery high point and possible Apex Mountain contender.

About 1:04

No Way Out

Used as a double feature partner and as evidence of Costner’s huge 1987 run.

About 56 min

Field of Dreams

Referenced as part of Costner’s rise and later run of star vehicles.

About 24 min

Scarface

Used as a De Palma comparison and as a possible double feature with this film.

About 16 min

Body Double

Named as one of De Palma’s essential rewatchables and a more explicitly pervy visual film.

About 16 min

Midnight Run

Mentioned in the casting and Chicago-movie discussion, and also in a character-name joke.

About 48 min

Broadcast News

Used as the comparison point for Albert Brooks’s Oscar-worthiness.

About 32 min

Naked Gun 3

Referenced as a parody that later borrowed the train-station sequence.

About 48 min · medium confidence

Boardwalk Empire

Used as a modern TV comparison for prohibition/crime storytelling and a possible sequel/prestige TV version.

About 1:04
10 Running jokes and short linesRecurring bits captured from the conversation

Chicago way repetition

They keep returning to Connery’s “Chicago way” speech and its quotable phrasing.

About 32 min

Connery accent jokes

Repeated riffs about Connery sounding Scottish rather than Irish.

About 8 min

Great-Apex era of 1987 stars

A broader bit about 1987 being the moment for Costner, De Niro, Connery, and the next wave of stars.

About 8 min

Prohibition as content

A recurring joke that Prohibition is great “content” for movies and storytelling.

About 40 min

Wayne Jenkins / prestige TV re-casting riff

The hosts joke about modern prestige-TV casting and who would play roles like Stone or Ness.

About 1:04 · medium confidence

Chris Ryan

“You send one of his to the morgue.”
About 32 min

Bill Simmons

“Great times for content.”
About 40 min

Bill Simmons

“Have a drink.”
About 1:12

Chris Ryan

“Get me a baby carriage, a clock and some steps.”
About 32 min

Bill Simmons

“That's the next chief of police right there.”
About 1:12

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