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THE REWATCHABLES · August 6, 2020

Teen Wolf

A 1985 fantasy / comedy / sports directed by Rod Daniel, covered in the complete Rewatchables archive.

FantasyComedySports1980sDirected by Rod Daniel
Overall episode#154Source sheet order
Movie year19851980s
Tomatometer46%Critics’ score
Metacritic25View score
Roger Ebert—No review recorded
DirectorRod DanielFantasy / Comedy / Sports

FROM THE CONVERSATION

What they said about the movie

The episode argues that Teen Wolf is both a very rewatchable 80s comedy and, more seriously, a surprisingly strong basketball movie about superstar ego, teamwork, and leadership. The hosts celebrate its quotability, Stiles, Coach Finstock, and the finale while also mocking its bad basketball, weird editing, and dated elements.
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In this conversation
Bill SimmonsKyle Brandt

WHY IT WORKS

What made it rewatchable

  1. 01The final basketball game and comeback are treated as the movie’s core rewatchable payoff. Opening minutes
  2. 02Stiles’ nonstop one-liners and showy personality drive repeat viewing. Opening minutes
  3. 03Coach Finstock’s quotes are endlessly replayable. Opening minutes
  4. 04The movie’s second half is stronger than the first, making late-in-the-film viewing especially appealing. Opening minutes
  5. 05Its 80s montage, party, and quote-heavy structure make it easy to revisit. Opening minutes

WHAT DID NOT WORK

Their main criticisms

  1. majorThe basketball is wildly unrealistic and often badly edited. Opening minutes
  2. majorMichael J. Fox’s basketball form is awkward and unconvincing. Opening minutes
  3. moderateBoof is undercast and has a terrible haircut/visual presentation. Opening minutes
  4. majorThe film has glaring racial absence and a tokenized hallway breakdancing moment. Opening minutes
  5. moderateThe soundtrack is weak compared with other 80s teen movies. Opening minutes

SCENES THEY KEPT COMING BACK TO

Standout moments

Favorite

Beer-keg ID scene and Stiles van surfing

Scott’s fake beer-buying attempt and Stiles’ van-surfing introduction establish the movie’s comic energy.

Opening minutes
positive

Scott’s wolf reveal at home

The father’s calm response to Scott’s transformation is treated as a funny and memorable twist.

Opening minutes
Favorite

First wolf basketball game

Scott transforms during the game, dunks, and the crowd and coach instantly embrace the wolf.

Opening minutes
Favorite

Coach Finstock locker-room speech

Finstock delivers his three rules and the line about cream cheese, becoming an immortal quote machine.

Opening minutes
mixed

Prom fight and shirt-ripping

Mick sucker-punches Scott, Scott tears his shirt, and the scene becomes both ridiculous and memorable.

Opening minutes
Favorite

Final comeback and winning free throws

They see the last game’s comeback, Chubby’s shot, and the closing free throws as the movie’s payoff.

Opening minutes
positive

High school party

The party is praised as peak 80s excess, with Stiles running games and everyone trying to hook up.

Opening minutes

WHERE THEY DISAGREED

The biggest debates

They agreed Opening minutes

Is Teen Wolf primarily a werewolf movie or a basketball movie?

Bill Simmons

It is really a basketball movie with the wolf as metaphor.

Kyle Brandt

Agrees the basketball angle is the useful way to read it, though the werewolf element still matters.

They partly agreed Opening minutes

What is the film’s best rewatchable scene?

Bill Simmons

The entire final basketball game.

Kyle Brandt

The high school party scene, though he also loves the final game.

They partly agreed Opening minutes

Which actor should win the overacting award?

Bill Simmons

Stiles should win because the character is intentionally dialed up.

Kyle Brandt

Finstock might deserve it, though he later concedes Finstock is more of a character award than pure overacting.

They agreed Opening minutes

Who is the best all-time movie basketball player?

Bill Simmons

The wolf belongs in the all-time five.

Kyle Brandt

Agrees the wolf is at least in the discussion, alongside other fictional ballers.

17 People discussedActors, directors, writers, and producers
favorableMichael J. FoxBill Simmons: Praised as a huge 1985 star and central to the movie’s appeal, though mocked for his basketball play. Opening minutes
very favorableStilesKyle Brandt: Presented as the movie’s standout character and the source of many of the film’s best lines and energy. Opening minutes
very favorableCoach FinstockBill Simmons: Celebrated as an all-time sports-movie character with unforgettable rule-of-life monologues. Opening minutes
mixedBoofKyle Brandt: Seen as undercast, oddly designed, and central to the movie’s awkward romantic choices. Opening minutes
favorablePamelaBill Simmons: Viewed as the more obvious romantic option, with the hosts saying Scott choosing Boof over her is a classic 80s movie move. Opening minutes
criticalMickBill Simmons: Described as an overgrown, mean antagonist with a memorable taunting face and violent dialogue. Opening minutes
neutralRod DanielBill Simmons: Mentioned for admitting the basketball footage was embarrassing and largely hidden in a vault. Opening minutes
favorableJeff LoebBill Simmons: Credited as part of the writing team behind the low-budget concept and also Commando. Opening minutes
neutralMatthew WisemanBill Simmons: Named as the co-writer of the screenplay alongside Jeff Loeb. Opening minutes
favorableDoug SavantBill Simmons: Used as an example of a strong supporting that-guy performance and later TV success. Opening minutes
neutralCorbin BernsenBill Simmons: Referenced only as the actor playing Dorn in Major League as a sports-movie comparison. Opening minutes neutralRob LoweBill Simmons: Mentioned in a comparison to hockey training for Youngblood. Opening minutes
neutralAdam CarollaBill Simmons: Cited as an example from another sports movie production, The Hammer. Opening minutes
neutralEd NortonBill Simmons: Mentioned in relation to the unrealistic basketball dunk in American History X. Opening minutes favorableKobe BryantBill Simmons: Used as the modern NBA comparison for Scott Howard’s superstar-over-team arc. Opening minutes favorableMichael JordanBill Simmons: Referenced as another superstar example of team-ball resolution. Opening minutes
neutralIversonBill Simmons: Mentioned in passing as part of the superstar ball-dominance discussion. Opening minutes
12 Conversation takesSpeakers shown only where the transcript identifies them
Bill SimmonsLoved it

Teen Wolf as a basketball movie

Argues the film is less a werewolf comedy than a thoughtful basketball story about hero ball and teamwork.

Opening minutes
Kyle BrandtLiked it

Teen Wolf as a basketball movie

Agrees the movie works better as a sports movie than as a literal werewolf film, while joking about the sophistication level.

Opening minutes
Bill SimmonsLoved it

final basketball game

Treats the closing game as the movie’s best basketball sequence and most rewatchable stretch.

Opening minutes
Kyle BrandtLoved it

Stiles

Says Stiles is his favorite part of the movie and praises the performance as electric and distinctive.

Opening minutes
Bill SimmonsLoved it

Coach Finstock

Calls Finstock one of the funniest and most essential sports-movie characters ever.

Opening minutes
Kyle BrandtLoved it

party scene

Loves the house party sequence for its 80s chaos, Stiles’ MC work, and excess.

Opening minutes
Bill SimmonsLiked it

80s teen party culture

Says the movie captures the era’s big, ridiculous teen parties better than more realistic basement gatherings.

Opening minutes
Kyle BrandtDid not like it

Teen Wolf soundtrack

Finds the music weak and less iconic than other era-defining teen movie soundtracks.

Opening minutes
Bill SimmonsLiked it

sports-movie consulting

Jokes that he should be a sports consultant because he notices so many game mistakes in films.

Opening minutes
Kyle BrandtDid not like it

Boof

Thinks Boof is miscast and should have been replaced by a stronger actress.

Opening minutes
Bill SimmonsDid not like it

driveway basketball with Mr. Howard and Boof

Calls the driveway basketball scene bizarre and hard to explain.

Opening minutes
Kyle BrandtLoved it

Finstock

Initially wants Finstock to win Deion Waiters overacting, but later agrees he is an all-time coach character.

Opening minutes
5 ThemesThe larger ideas in the discussion

Superstar ego versus team play

They read Scott Howard as a basketball superstar who must learn to become a better teammate rather than dominate the ball.

Opening minutes

Sports-movie authenticity

A recurring argument is that sports movies need someone on set who understands the actual game.

Opening minutes

80s rewatch culture

Cable and VHS reruns are credited with turning the movie into a durable rewatchable classic.

Opening minutes

Transformation as metaphor

The wolf is discussed as a metaphor for emotion, identity, and control rather than only a monster effect.

Opening minutes

Teen comedy horniness

They repeatedly note how much the film is about desire, parties, and making out.

Opening minutes
25 Facts and referencesProduction notes and other movies mentioned

Production note

The film was made for about $1.2 million and made about $80 million.

Opening minutes

Production note

The movie was filmed in 21 days.

Opening minutes

Production note

The director said the basketball footage was sealed in a vault because it was embarrassing.

Opening minutes

Production note

Michael J. Fox’s basketball body double was named Jeff Glosser.

Opening minutes

Production note

A planned scene had Teen Wolf appearing on The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson.

Opening minutes

Production note

A 2004 internet hoax claimed Mike Piazza played Mick.

Opening minutes

Production note

Jerry Levine says he is recognized mainly as Stiles, not by his real name.

Opening minutes

Mentioned with uncertainty

The movie was shot on a street that also held houses used in Back to the Future and Old School, according to the hosts.

Opening minutes · medium confidence

Production note

Mark Safin’s song 'Win in the End' has surprisingly bleak lyrics about suicide and hopelessness.

Opening minutes

Production note

The script once had a scene of the wolf on The Tonight Show that was cut for expense reasons.

Opening minutes

Back to the Future

Used as the key comparison for Michael J. Fox’s star turn and for the film’s production overlap.

Opening minutes

Commando

Cited as another screenplay credit for Jeff Loeb and Matthew Wiseman.

Opening minutes

Valley Girl

Explained as the 1983 success that convinced studios to make low-budget teen comedies.

Opening minutes

Pee-wee’s Big Adventure

Referenced because Chubby actor Court McCown also appears there.

Opening minutes

Major League

Used to compare fake sports performance and the character of Dorn.

Opening minutes

Youngblood

Referenced as another sports movie where an actor was trained into believability.

Opening minutes

American History X

Used to discuss unrealistic basketball action in a dramatic scene.

Opening minutes

Top Gun

The beach volleyball sequence is cited as an honorable-mention montage.

Opening minutes

The Karate Kid

Named as one of the 80s movies that cable reruns made endlessly rewatchable.

Opening minutes

Rocky IV

Cited for its training montage and soundtrack as a great 80s sports-movie sequence.

Opening minutes

Over the Top

Referenced for its arm-wrestling montage and Sammy Hagar song.

Opening minutes

The Longest Yard

Mentioned as an early classic in the sports-movie lineage.

Opening minutes

Bad News Bears in Breaking Training

Used as an example of sloppy sports-movie continuity.

Opening minutes

Friday Night Lights

Referenced to criticize implausible football sequence continuity.

Opening minutes

Twilight

Used as a later werewolf comparison when discussing apex werewolf culture.

Opening minutes
10 Running jokes and short linesRecurring bits captured from the conversation

Sports consultant rant

Bill repeatedly jokes that he should consult on sports movies because he notices every rule and continuity error.

Opening minutes

Kobe/hero-ball analogy

The hosts keep translating Teen Wolf into NBA superstar language, especially Kobe, Jordan, and hero-ball.

Opening minutes

Coach Finstock quote parade

They repeatedly recite Finstock’s lines and treat them as elite 80s comedy material.

Opening minutes

80s sports montage ranking

They build an impromptu top-four list of cheesy sports-movie montages.

Opening minutes

Theater/party MC Stiles

Stiles is treated as a master of ceremonies who controls parties and scenes like a pro.

Opening minutes

Bill Simmons

“It’s a thinking man’s basketball movie.”
Opening minutes

Bill Simmons

“Everything else is cream cheese.”
Opening minutes

Bill Simmons

“I was blindsided by the pain.”
Opening minutes

Kyle Brandt

“I would go to war for Stiles.”
Opening minutes

Bill Simmons

“Give me a keg of beer.”
Opening minutes

MAKE IT A MOVIE NIGHT

Where to watch

UNITED STATES

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WHAT TO WATCH NEXT

Movies to watch before and after.

Three movies to watch before Teen Wolf, and three to watch next.

Finding six movies…Three to watch first and three to watch next.
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