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THE REWATCHABLES · July 7, 2020

St. Elmo's Fire

A 1985 romance / drama directed by Joel Schumacher, covered in the complete Rewatchables archive.

RomanceDrama1980sDirected by Joel Schumacher

ON THIS EPISODE

Overall episode#147Source sheet order
Movie year19851980s
Tomatometer44%Critics’ score
Metacritic35View score
Roger Ebert—No review recorded
DirectorJoel SchumacherRomance / Drama

FROM THE CONVERSATION

What they said about the movie

The episode argues that St. Elmo’s Fire endures because it captures the post-college drift of friendships, the fear of adulthood, and a specific 1980s Hollywood moment around the Brat Pack, even while the movie is deeply flawed and often ridiculous.
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WHY IT WORKS

What made it rewatchable

  1. 01It captures the post-college transition and the slow breakup of a friend group in a way the hosts find universally relatable. Opening minutes
  2. 02The movie is highly rewatchable on cable because it is easy to jump into for any half hour. About 16 min
  3. 03The soundtrack and title song are treated as iconic, especially the opening credits sequence. About 16 min
  4. 04The film is packed with quotable exchanges and exaggerated 80s character moments. About 40 min
  5. 05Performances from Rob Lowe and Demi Moore give the movie star power despite the flaws. About 1:04

WHAT DID NOT WORK

Their main criticisms

  1. moderateThe film is flawed and the plot can feel thin or disconnected. Opening minutes
  2. moderateSeveral characters, especially Kirby and Kevin, are hard to believe or overly odd. About 48 min
  3. majorMary Woronov/Winningham’s Wendy subplot feels awkward and miscast. About 48 min
  4. minorBilly’s St. Elmo’s Fire speech is embarrassing and implausible for the character. About 40 min
  5. minorThe saxophone bar scene is funny but absurdly overlong and out of place. About 32 min

SCENES THEY KEPT COMING BACK TO

Standout moments

Favorite

Opening credits / Georgetown walk

The opening images, theme song, and seven friends walking toward camera instantly establish the movie’s identity.

Opening minutes
Favorite

First St. Elmo’s bar scene

A key hangout sequence that introduces everyone in the bar and includes the head-in-water gag.

About 24 min
Favorite

Billy’s sax performance

Billy’s sax solo at the bar is treated as the film’s signature rewatchable scene.

About 32 min
positive

Kevin and Leslie hookup / confession

Their apartment confession and sex scene are noted as one of the movie’s stronger emotional beats.

About 32 min
Favorite

Leslie moves out of Alex’s apartment

The breakup and record-splitting sequence is praised for its fighting, specificity, and emotional pain.

About 32 min
positive

Jules’s rescue / fire escape scene

Billy’s St. Elmo’s Fire speech to Jules is discussed as the movie’s dramatic centerpiece, even if it is absurd.

About 40 min

WHERE THEY DISAGREED

The biggest debates

They partly agreed About 8 min

Whether the Brat Pack label helped or hurt the cast

Bill Simmons

It damaged them publicly and was a harsh, unfair profile piece.

Chris Ryan

It was maybe unfair journalism, but the work also had to hold up, so the fallout was not only the article.

They partly agreed About 48 min

Whether Kevin is a believable character or even a good fit in the group

Bill Simmons

He does not buy McCarthy as Kevin and thinks Downey Jr. would be better.

Chris Ryan

The character is okay, but the movie’s bigger problems lie elsewhere.

They left it as a friendly argument About 24 min

Whether Billy is a serious musician or just performing a pose

Bill Simmons

He seems like a guy with a band, not a committed career musician.

Chris Ryan

The movie only partially answers the question, but the sax bit is the point.

They agreed About 16 min

Whether the film’s glamorous production design helps or hurts realism

Bill Simmons

The idealized apartments and clothes are part of the movie’s appeal.

Chris Ryan

The heightened fantasy is intentional and works as Schumacher’s style.

They agreed About 48 min

Whether Kirby’s behavior is just quirky or outright stalking

Bill Simmons

Kirby is essentially a stalker and should be arrested.

Chris Ryan

His behavior is absurdly extreme and the subplot gets stranger every year.

12 People discussedActors, directors, writers, and producers
favorableJoel SchumacherBill Simmons: Praised as someone who preferred the most entertaining, heightened version of a concept and made the movie’s glamour work. About 16 min very favorableDemi MooreBill Simmons: Seen as one of the movie’s biggest winners; her Jules performance feels real and star-making. About 8 min very favorableRob LoweBill Simmons: Praised for fully committing to Billy Hicks despite the character’s ridiculousness. Opening minutes favorableJudd NelsonChris Ryan: Enjoyed for his chaotic, over-the-top scene work, especially during the breakup and record-dividing scenes. About 48 min
mixedAndrew McCarthyBill Simmons: Seen as miscast but also funny; the hosts question whether he fits Kevin at all. About 48 min
criticalMary WinninghamBill Simmons: Her Wendy role is viewed as the movie’s weakest casting and subplot. About 48 min
favorableEmilio EstevezBill Simmons: Discussed as part of the Breakfast Club crossover and as a strong career survivor from the group. About 8 min
neutralDavid BlumBill Simmons: Identified as the writer of the New York Magazine Brat Pack profile that damaged the cast’s public image. About 8 min
neutralCarl KurlanderBill Simmons: Mentioned as the screenplay’s co-writer and source of reflections on the film’s anniversary. About 8 min
favorableWilliam HurtBill Simmons: Used as the benchmark for The Big Chill’s emotional confrontation and praised for that film’s key scene. Opening minutes favorableJulesBill Simmons: The hosts treat Jules as an iconic 80s character and a sympathetic disaster of a post-college life. About 40 min
criticalKirbyBill Simmons: Discussed as a stalker-like character whose subplot becomes increasingly bizarre. About 48 min
10 Conversation takesSpeakers shown only where the transcript identifies them
Bill SimmonsLiked it

St. Elmo’s Fire as a post-college friend-group movie

Argues the film works because it captures the real emotional transition out of college and the fragility of friendships.

Opening minutes
Chris RyanLiked it

St. Elmo’s Fire as a compressed TV-season style narrative

Says the independent plotlines make the film feel like a season of television more than a traditional ensemble movie.

Opening minutes
Bill SimmonsLiked it

Joel Schumacher

Praised for preferring glamour and heightened reality over grim realism.

About 16 min
Chris RyanLoved it

Billy’s sax solo

Treats the long bar sax scene as hilarious, absurd, and a key reason the film is memorable.

About 32 min
Bill SimmonsLoved it

Billy’s sax solo

Calls it the clear choice for most rewatchable scene and celebrates the full commitment of the bit.

About 32 min
Bill SimmonsLoved it

Demi Moore as Jules

Believes Moore gives the movie its best, most lived-in performance and wins the movie overall alongside Lowe.

About 1:04
Chris RyanMixed

Andrew McCarthy as Kevin

Likes the performance’s comic awkwardness but agrees it is probably miscast.

About 48 min
Bill SimmonsLiked it

Judd Nelson as Kirby

Enjoys Nelson’s chaotic overacting and sees it as a high point of the film’s energy.

About 56 min
Bill SimmonsLiked it

college friendship mortality

Says the film’s thesis about friends drifting apart is a universal truth that has endured.

Opening minutes
Chris RyanDid not like it

Wendy

Finds Wendy’s subplot confusing and the character hard to justify dramatically.

About 48 min
5 ThemesThe larger ideas in the discussion

Post-college identity crisis

The hosts see the movie as a snapshot of people realizing adulthood is not arriving on schedule.

Opening minutes

Friendship mortality

A central idea is that close college friendships often do not survive intact after graduation.

Opening minutes

1980s media culture and the Brat Pack

The film is tied to a specific Hollywood generation and the publicity that defined it.

About 8 min

Artificial glamour

Schumacher’s stylized apartments, clothes, and cars make the movie feel like an idealized version of post-college life.

About 24 min

The pre-digital era of connection

The movie reflects a time when people relied on calls and face-to-face contact rather than constant texting.

Opening minutes
20 Facts and referencesProduction notes and other movies mentioned

Production note

The opening St. Elmo’s Fire bar exterior was shot on the Universal back lot, not at Georgetown.

About 56 min

Production note

The film was based on the Tombs, a real Georgetown watering hole.

About 56 min

Production note

Georgetown would not permit filming, so University of Maryland was used.

About 56 min

Production note

The St. Elmo’s Fire song became a major hit and was written by David Foster with John Parr.

About 16 min

Production note

Rob Lowe learned to play saxophone for the film, though some shots clearly use playback or stand-ins.

About 48 min

Production note

The shower door breaking during Kevin and Leslie’s sex scene was accidental and the reaction was genuine.

About 56 min

Production note

Casting for the film involved many near-misses, including Anthony Edwards, Lea Thompson, Madonna, and Linda Hamilton.

About 56 min

The Big Chill

Used as the major comparison for the friend-group-after-college subgenre.

Opening minutes

Reality Bites

Cited as another post-college movie and comparison point for Kevin/Troy type characters.

Opening minutes

Kicking and Screaming

Mentioned as another movie they plan to cover that fits the same template.

Opening minutes

Breakfast Club

Used to explain the Brat Pack crossover and the cast’s youth appeal.

About 8 min

The Graduate

Referenced as a rare earlier film about post-college drift.

About 8 min

WarGames

Listed in Ally Sheedy’s career run.

About 16 min

Bad Boys

Also listed in Ally Sheedy’s run of 1980s roles.

About 16 min

About Last Night

Mentioned as another Rob Lowe/Demi Moore collaboration and later success point.

About 8 min

Lost Boys

Referenced because Schumacher also staged a notable saxophone performance scene there.

About 32 min

Eddie and the Cruisers

Used to discuss 1980s sax/player-bar culture and Clarence Clemons influence.

About 32 min

Back to the Future

Referenced when discussing the Universal back lot and the bar location.

About 56 min

The Exorcist

Cited in the priest anecdote about Georgetown filming permissions.

About 56 min

Pump Up the Volume

Referenced in a joking aside about creating podcasting.

About 1:04
10 Running jokes and short linesRecurring bits captured from the conversation

“Billy Hicks and the New Breed”

They keep returning to Billy’s band name and his over-the-top bar performance as a running joke.

About 24 min

“Moving up Kerbo”

A recurring joke about Emilio Estevez’s character having a self-serious Georgetown role in the friend group.

About 32 min

“No Springsteen is leaving this house!”

The record-splitting breakup becomes a quoted running bit.

About 32 min

Jules as a life-type

Jules is treated as a recognizable archetype from the 1980s and beyond.

About 40 min

Saxophone excess

The hosts keep joking that 1980s movies were obsessed with impossible sax solos.

About 32 min

Bill Simmons

“Forever got a lot shorter all of a sudden.”
About 48 min

Bill Simmons

“No Springsteen is leaving this house!”
About 32 min

Bill Simmons

“You break my heart. Then again, you break everyone's heart.”
About 32 min

Bill Simmons

“Let's rock!”
About 32 min

Rob Lowe

“I brought a six pack into the meeting”
About 1:12

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