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THE REWATCHABLES · February 27, 2024

Rounders (Live from New York)

A 1998 crime / sports directed by John Dahl, covered in the complete Rewatchables archive.

CrimeSports1990sDirected by John Dahl
Overall episode#346Source sheet order
Movie year19981990s
Tomatometer63%Critics’ score
Metacritic53View score
Roger Ebert3/4Original star rating
DirectorJohn DahlCrime / Sports

FROM THE CONVERSATION

What they said about the movie

The panel argues Rounders is a near-elite rewatchable: a cool, jargon-rich hangout movie with great Damon/Norton chemistry, vivid poker-world immersion, and scenes that replay endlessly. They praise its vocabulary, narration, stakes, and cable/DVD rewatch life, while also debating some dated elements and plausibility issues.
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WHY IT WORKS

What made it rewatchable

  1. 01The movie drops viewers into a cool, unfamiliar poker world without over-explaining it. About 8 min
  2. 02Damon and Norton’s chemistry makes every scene together land. About 16 min
  3. 03It works as a hangout movie and can be reentered at almost any point. About 8 min
  4. 04The dialogue became part of the hosts’ own vocabulary. About 8 min
  5. 05The movie’s scenes and needle drops create a strong urge to gamble and keep watching. About 32 min

WHAT DID NOT WORK

Their main criticisms

  1. moderateMike’s girlfriend Joe is written as an irritating, wet-blanket obstacle. About 48 min
  2. minorSome poker logic and hand outcomes are hard to defend on a close rewatch. About 16 min · medium confidence
  3. moderateA few plot mechanics are unlikely, especially Petrosky giving Mike $10,000. About 1:04
  4. minorCertain poker enthusiasts now nitpick the film heavily online. About 1:04 · medium confidence

SCENES THEY KEPT COMING BACK TO

Standout moments

Favorite

Teddy KGB Oreo/table introduction

The opening KGB encounter is treated as a defining scene, including the cookie tell and the tension of the mob-connected game.

About 24 min
Favorite

The judges game

Mike reads the table instantly, and the hosts admire the rapid card-reading theatrics.

About 32 min
positive

Mike and Worm at the mansion / high-roller game

The hosts enjoy Worm and Mike’s banter and the sense that the movie is about to take off.

About 24 min
mixed

Mike’s girlfriend moves out

The scene is seen as important for resetting the plot, though the girlfriend is widely criticized.

About 32 min
Favorite

Mike calling out Teddy at the end

The final confrontation is praised as a great payoff, even though the hosts debate the poker logic.

About 1:04
positive

Petra visits Mike

The Famke Janssen scene is discussed as highly erotic and implausibly tempting.

About 48 min
positive

The card game with municipal workers

A funny, grounded table of cops is singled out for its realism and comic energy.

About 40 min
positive

Mike bluffs Johnny Chan in flashback

The flashback and Johnny Chan cameo are treated as a key poker-credibility moment.

About 40 min

WHERE THEY DISAGREED

The biggest debates

No final agreement About 16 min

Could Damon and Norton have switched roles?

Bill Simmons

Thinks Damon could maybe have played Worm, but Norton lacked Mike’s sweetness.

Sean Fennessey

Thinks Norton could have played Mike, but Damon could not fully play Worm.

They partly agreed About 32 min

Did Rounders help launch the poker boom?

Bill Simmons

Think the Chris Moneymaker moment was the real catalyst, with Rounders priming audiences.

Sean Fennessey

Says he personally started checking out poker because of the film.

They agreed About 48 min

Is Mike’s Petra scene the movie’s biggest mistake?

Van Lathan

Says Mike should have slept with Petra and that the scene is implausible.

Bill Simmons

Says Koppelman and Levien later admitted it was a major mistake.

No final agreement About 1:12

Did Teddy actually have the better hand in the final poker sequence?

Chris Ryan

Questions whether Teddy had aces or another strong hand.

Bill Simmons

Speculates about whether Teddy had two aces or trips.

They partly agreed About 56 min

Is Worm secretly the film’s true villain?

Van Lathan

Argues Worm is a deliberate saboteur who ruins Mike’s life on purpose.

Chris Ryan

Pushes back somewhat by reading Joe as the immediate obstacle and Worm as emotional chaos.

16 People discussedActors, directors, writers, and producers
very favorableMatt DamonBill Simmons: Praised as perfectly cast as Mike McDermott and part of a career peak. About 16 min very favorableEdward NortonBill Simmons: Praised as perfect for Worm and for his chemistry with Damon. About 16 min favorableJohn TurturroChris Ryan: Cited as excellent in his supporting role with memorable scenes. About 16 min favorableFamke JanssenVan Lathan: Her Petra scene is praised as highly effective and unrealistically seductive. About 48 min criticalGretchen MolChris Ryan: Her character Joe is treated as annoying and poorly written. About 48 min favorableJohn MalkovichBill Simmons: His Teddy KGB performance and accent are embraced as iconic. About 1:04 neutralJohn DahlBill Simmons: Mentioned as the director in basic production context. About 32 min · medium confidencefavorableBrian KoppelmanBill Simmons: Credited for dialogue, poker details, and the movie’s inventions. About 32 min
favorableDavid LevienBill Simmons: Credited alongside Koppelman for the script and poker-world authenticity. About 32 min
favorableJohnny ChanSean Fennessey: His real-life poker reputation and cameo are treated as legendary. About 40 min neutralPhil HellmuthBill Simmons: Discussed as an alternate casting possibility for Teddy KGB. About 1:04 neutralEric SeidelBill Simmons: Mentioned as a poker player who gets crushed in the movie’s flashback sequence. About 40 min · medium confidence
neutralPhil IveyBill Simmons: Named as the hosts’ preferred modern equivalent for casting Johnny Chan. About 1:04
criticalMiramaxBill Simmons: Noted for releasing the film and pulling it quickly from theaters. About 32 min
neutralChris MoneymakerBill Simmons: Referenced as the trigger for the poker boom rather than the movie itself. About 32 min
neutralBoratBill Simmons: Joked about as the source of Malkovich’s Russian accent inspiration. About 1:04 · low confidence
15 Conversation takesSpeakers shown only where the transcript identifies them
Bill SimmonsLoved it

Rounders as a rewatchable classic

Argues the movie is in the conversation for one of the greatest rewatchables ever.

About 8 min
Chris RyanLoved it

Rounders as a hangout movie

Says the film is one of the great hangout movies and makes him want to play poker.

About 16 min
Sean FennesseyLoved it

Rounders and poker

Says the movie made him want to play cards and keeps drawing him back.

About 24 min
Van LathanLoved it

Worm's hold on Mike

Frames Worm as the real romantic/obsessive force in the movie, not Joe.

About 56 min
Bill SimmonsLoved it

Teddy KGB Oreo tell

Treats the Oreo scene and Teddy’s tell as one of the film’s signature sequences.

About 40 min
Chris RyanLoved it

Mike and Worm heading back to poker

Calls the 'let's play some cards' sequence one of the most energizing non-sports movie moments.

About 32 min
Sean FennesseyLoved it

Narration

Argues the voiceover is crucial, elegant exposition rather than a crutch.

About 56 min
Van LathanDid not like it

Gretchen Mol / Joe

Strongly criticizes Joe as unbearable and says the role is a major mistake.

About 48 min
Bill SimmonsLoved it

John Malkovich as Teddy KGB

Says Malkovich’s performance fully works despite the exaggerated accent.

About 1:04
Chris RyanLiked it

Malkovich's accent

Says the accent now feels perfect even if it seemed odd at first.

About 1:04
Bill SimmonsLoved it

Judges game

Likes the rapid-fire reading of players and the whole judges table sequence.

About 32 min
Sean FennesseyLoved it

Matt Damon and Edward Norton

Says their pairing is unusually effective and should have led to more collaborations.

About 16 min
Van LathanLoved it

Rounders' stakes

Likes that the movie’s conflicts are built on real money, not absurdly huge stakes.

About 56 min
Bill SimmonsLoved it

The movie's opening line

Highlights the opening sucker line as one of the best of the 1990s.

About 24 min
Chris RyanLoved it

Rounders' cable/DVD life

Says its long life on cable and DVDs made it culturally sticky.

About 8 min
5 ThemesThe larger ideas in the discussion

Loyalty versus self-preservation

Mike keeps choosing Worm and the poker world over stability, which the panel frames as both the movie’s engine and its tragedy.

About 24 min

Nostalgia for late-90s hidden worlds

The film is treated as a relic of cable, DVDs, and secret poker clubs that once felt accessible and exciting.

About 8 min

Competence as charisma

Mike’s ability to read people and his poker IQ are treated as seductive parts of the character.

About 32 min

Language as identity

The movie’s slang and rhythm are treated as a key reason it sticks with viewers.

About 8 min

Real-money stakes

The relatively modest dollar amounts make the conflict feel grounded and urgent.

About 56 min
23 Facts and referencesProduction notes and other movies mentioned

Production note

The hosts say Miramax pulled the film after three weeks in theaters.

About 32 min

Production note

The script was written by Brian Koppelman and David Levien in a basement storage room.

About 1:04

Production note

The law-school scenes were filmed at Rutgers University.

About 1:04

Production note

Malkovich reportedly got his Russian accent by listening to a Russian woman speak for hours.

About 1:04

Production note

Damon and Norton both played in the 1998 WSOP and Damon lost with pocket kings to Doyle Brunson's pocket aces.

About 1:04

Production note

The phrase 'three stacks of high society' is credited to the writers.

About 40 min

Production note

The movie’s narration is praised as useful exposition because the poker world would otherwise need too much explanation.

About 56 min

Production note

The film’s budget is cited as $12 million and its gross as $22.9 million.

About 32 min

Good Will Hunting

Used to situate Damon’s career peak.

About 16 min

Primal Fear

Used to situate Norton’s career peak.

About 16 min

American History X

Referenced as one of Norton’s hot-streak films and for his goatee look.

About 16 min

Saving Private Ryan

Referenced as the movie that made Damon widely visible.

About 16 min

John Wick

Used as a comparison for a cool, inaccessible movie universe and poker revival timing.

About 8 min

The Godfather

Cited as the benchmark for great rewatchable films.

About 8 min

Heat

Referenced as another frequently rewatched movie from the same era.

About 8 min

Glengarry Glen Ross

Used as an example of dialogue that changes how people speak.

About 8 min

Michael Clayton

Another dialogue/vocabulary comparison.

About 8 min

Forrest Gump

Used as an example of overdone narration.

About 56 min

Cincinnati Kid

Cited as a classic poker film predecessor.

About 40 min

California Split

Cited as another important poker film predecessor.

About 40 min

Cool Hand Luke

Referenced as part of the poker-movie lineage.

About 40 min

Maverick

Referenced as a 1990s poker-film predecessor.

About 40 min

Mr. Ripley / The Talented Mr. Ripley

Mentioned to describe Damon’s smarmy-trustworthy persona in other roles.

About 16 min
11 Running jokes and short linesRecurring bits captured from the conversation

Larry David / sequel teasing

Bill jokes about not revealing the next Rewatchables title too early, echoing a Larry David complaint.

Opening minutes

Ricky cameo / threesome joke

Van and Bill riff on whether a roommate joined a movie outing for suspicious reasons.

About 8 min

Poker Reddit / hand-lawyering

The hosts repeatedly mock obsessive poker nitpicking online.

About 1:04

Yeshiva stories

The hosts joke about Petrosky’s repeated yeshiva stories as a comic bargaining chip.

About 56 min

Worm-as-Kaiser Soze theory

Van pitches a running theory that Worm is secretly the film’s true mastermind villain.

About 56 min

Cameo-casting game

The group improvises modern alternatives for Johnny Chan and other roles.

About 1:04

Bill Simmons

“If you can't spot the sucker”
About 24 min

Van Lathan

“Don't tease me. Let's play some”
About 32 min

Bill Simmons

“three stacks of high society”
About 40 min

Bill Simmons

“I'm not a wealthy man”
About 56 min

Van Lathan

“Leave that bitch, Mike”
About 1:04

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