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THE REWATCHABLES · February 20, 2024

Creed (Live from Philadelphia)

A 2015 drama / sports directed by Ryan Coogler, covered in the complete Rewatchables archive.

DramaSports2010sDirected by Ryan Coogler
Overall episode#345Source sheet order
Movie year20152010s
Tomatometer95%Critics’ score
Metacritic82View score
Roger Ebert—No review recorded
DirectorRyan CooglerDrama / Sports

FROM THE CONVERSATION

What they said about the movie

A live Philly episode praising Creed as a powerful, emotionally resonant legacy sequel and a great Philadelphia sports movie. The hosts focus on father-son grief, Stallone’s vulnerable comeback performance, Ryan Coogler’s direction, and the film’s standout boxing and training sequences, while also debating a few timeline and continuity issues.
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WHY IT WORKS

What made it rewatchable

  1. 01The opening with young Adonis and Felicia Rashad immediately grounds the emotional stakes and sets up the father-son theme. About 24 min
  2. 02Donnie’s first meeting with Rocky in Adrian’s turns the mythology on its head and reveals time beat Apollo, not Rocky. About 32 min
  3. 03The one-shot Leo-the-lion training fight is treated as an all-time sports-movie sequence. About 32 min
  4. 04The Meek Mill training montage and bike run is the movie’s signature hype sequence. About 40 min
  5. 05The final-round emotional speech and climactic fight payoff land as a peak crowd-pleaser. About 40 min

WHAT DID NOT WORK

Their main criticisms

  1. moderateThe timeline around Apollo’s death and Adonis’s age does not cleanly add up. About 1:12
  2. minorBianca’s cheesesteak order and some Philly slang feel slightly off or overworked. About 1:20
  3. moderateRocky’s abandonment of Apollo’s widow and the lack of follow-up feel morally awkward. About 1:20
  4. minorThe movie is a bit too long and slows in the middle, though nobody wants to cut much. About 1:20
  5. moderateSome think the fight count is too low and Donnie’s career path is underexplained. About 1:20

SCENES THEY KEPT COMING BACK TO

Standout moments

Favorite

Young Adonis opening and maternal reveal

The opening with young Donnie and Mary Anne’s reveal establishes the film’s emotional core.

About 24 min
Favorite

Adonis meets Rocky in Adrian’s

Rocky reluctantly agrees to train Donnie, and the scene reframes Apollo’s legacy and Rocky’s mythology.

About 32 min
positive

Pauly’s room and the photo of Sly’s son

A quiet scene where the real-life death of Stallone’s son bleeds into the movie and adds weight.

About 32 min
Favorite

Leo-the-lion two-round fight

The film’s signature boxing set piece, shot with long takes and intense realism.

About 32 min
positive

Philly street confrontation with Tone Trump

A very Philly, low-level confrontation that plays like local social friction escalating instantly.

About 40 min
Favorite

Training montage with bikes and Meek Mill

The montage is the movie’s biggest adrenaline rush and a perfect sports-movie needle drop sequence.

About 40 min
Favorite

Final-round speech and Rocky theme payoff

The emotional plea before the final round and the delayed Rocky theme are treated as a huge payoff.

About 40 min
positive

Last shot on the steps

The ending with Rocky and Donnie on the steps is a soft, satisfying coda.

About 48 min

WHERE THEY DISAGREED

The biggest debates

They left it as a friendly argument About 32 min

Did Rocky and Apollo really fight a third time, and who won?

Bill Simmons

Skeptical that Rocky is fully honest about the result.

Sean Fennessey

Thinks Rocky probably won the fight but the scene leaves useful ambiguity.

Van Lathan

Thinks Apollo probably won, but the answer is partly shaped by identity and legend.

No final agreement About 1:12

Should Creed have won the final fight?

Sean Fennessey

Yes, he should have won; the movie would feel even better.

Bill Simmons

Notes the ending basically plays like a win even though Creed loses on the card.

They partly agreed About 1:04

Was Rocky 3’s Drago sequel choice too on-the-nose for Creed 2?

Chris Ryan

Creed 3’s story would have been a better Creed 2.

Van Lathan

Agrees Creed 2 feels a little obvious and Creed 3 is more interesting.

Sean Fennessey

Says the Drago angle is fun but probably a bit too on-the-nose.

No final agreement About 1:12

Is the movie set in a timeline that makes Adonis’s age plausible?

Chris Ryan

No, the math does not add up cleanly.

Bill Simmons

Suggests the timeline is flexible and maybe not worth overthinking.

15 People discussedActors, directors, writers, and producers
very favorableCarl WeathersBill Simmons: Bill gives a tribute after Weathers’s death, calling him beloved and important to pop culture. Opening minutes very favorableRyan CooglerBill Simmons: Praised as a young director who made the film feel personal, emotional, and surprisingly successful. Opening minutes very favorableMichael B. JordanVan Lathan: Lauded for carrying the movie and delivering his most affecting performance. About 24 min very favorableSylvester StalloneSean Fennessey: Praised for a vulnerable comeback performance and for turning Rocky inside out. About 16 min favorableFelicia RashadMentioned warmly for anchoring the opening emotional reveal as Adonis’s mother figure. About 24 min favorableWood HarrisVan Lathan: Praised as a genius casting choice as Duke’s son and a great sequel addition. About 56 min
mixedTony BellewChris Ryan: Seen as a solid acting presence and real-fighter casting choice, though tied to an obvious Everton bit. About 56 min
neutralLiev SchreiberChris Ryan: Referenced for the 24/7-style narration and as someone who recently lost some cool by appearing on Hard Knocks. About 48 min favorableAndre WardSean Fennessey: Used as a real-boxer reference in the movie’s boxing realism discussion. About 48 min favorableMeek MillBill Simmons: Referenced as cultural context for the training montage and Philly reaction to Drake beef. About 40 min
neutralDrakeBill Simmons: Mentioned only as part of the 2015 Meek Mill cultural backdrop. About 40 min
mixedTone TrumpVan Lathan: Used as a vivid example of the film’s Philly street energy and a source of the 'Baby Creed' bit. About 40 min
neutralMeryl StreepSean Fennessey: Mentioned only in casting speculation about Bianca. About 1:12 · medium confidenceneutralBurgess MeredithSean Fennessey: Cited in a trivia aside about Stallone’s age matching Rocky 1-era Burgess Meredith. About 1:04
favorableGraham McTavishSean Fennessey: Mentioned positively as Conlan’s trainer and a good supporting presence. About 56 min
12 Conversation takesSpeakers shown only where the transcript identifies them
Chris RyanLoved it

Creed as a Philly movie

Says the film captures the city’s grinding, gray, clawing attitude better than almost any other movie.

About 8 min
Van LathanLoved it

Creed premise

Admits he initially thought the premise sounded absurd but was quickly won over by how good the film was.

Opening minutes
Sean FennesseyLoved it

Rocky Balboa and Creed as Stallone comeback stories

Sees Creed as the ultimate return-to-form for Stallone and the movie that proves he can still act at a very high level.

About 16 min
Bill SimmonsLoved it

Creed as a franchise reboot

Argues the film worked because it arrived at the perfect moment when audiences still embraced legacy franchises.

About 8 min
Sean FennesseyLoved it

Sylvester Stallone

Argues Stallone’s stripped-down, less-author-controlled performance is what makes the movie work.

About 16 min
Van LathanLoved it

father-son conflict

Frames the film as a deeply emotional story about sons fighting to become and resist their fathers.

About 24 min
Chris RyanLoved it

Leo-the-lion one-take fight

Calls the long fight sequence one of the great sports scenes ever filmed.

About 32 min
Sean FennesseyLoved it

training montage

Says the bike-and-run montage is a total chill scene and the movie’s greatest hype sequence.

About 40 min
Van LathanLoved it

final fight speech

Highlights the 'I’m not a mistake' speech as the movie’s emotional knockout punch.

About 40 min
Bill SimmonsLiked it

Donnie and Bianca date and chemistry

Thinks the first-date material helps make Bianca feel like a real character rather than a stock girlfriend.

About 56 min
Chris RyanLiked it

Creed 3

Thinks Creed 3 works and has more twists than expected, even if not everyone agrees it was necessary.

About 1:12
Sean FennesseyLoved it

Creed as best reboot/legacy sequel

Ultimately calls it the best reboot of a movie franchise he can think of.

About 1:12
5 ThemesThe larger ideas in the discussion

Father-son identity

The movie is framed as a son trying to prove he is not a mistake and to connect with a father he never knew.

About 24 min

Legacy and mythmaking

Creed is treated as a sequel that respectfully updates Rocky mythology while making Apollo and Rocky’s history feel larger than life.

About 32 min

Philly as character

Philadelphia is described as a grinding, gray, working-class city that the movie captures perfectly.

About 8 min

Emotion in sports movies

The hosts emphasize that the film works because boxing becomes an allegory for grief, belonging, and self-definition.

About 24 min

Coogler’s personal filmmaking

Ryan Coogler is praised for bringing autobiographical feeling and humanity to genre material.

About 24 min
22 Facts and referencesProduction notes and other movies mentioned

Production note

Stallone was 69 when Creed was released, the same age as Burgess Meredith in Rocky 1.

About 1:04

Production note

Coogler was 29 years old when he made Creed.

About 24 min

Production note

The fight scenes were shot with extensive long-take choreography, including 13 takes for the one-shot sequence.

About 32 min

Production note

Stallone reportedly insisted that Jordan take a real punch in the fight scene.

About 56 min

Production note

The movie had a $40 million budget and grossed about $175 million.

About 1:04

Production note

Stallone’s wife in the earlier Rocky films was recast because the original actor had died.

About 1:12 · medium confidence

Production note

The episode was recorded live in Philadelphia during the Cold Weather Tour.

Opening minutes

Rocky

Used constantly as the franchise foundation and comparison point for Creed.

Opening minutes

Fruitvale Station

Cited as Coogler’s earlier film and evidence of his personal style.

About 8 min

Black Panther

Used to show Coogler’s ability to turn a franchise movie into a personal story.

About 24 min

Top Gun: Maverick

Mentioned as another modern franchise revival with a great theatrical response.

About 8 min

Mad Max: Fury Road

Cited as another 2015 franchise revival that was unexpectedly excellent.

About 8 min

Jurassic World

Referenced as a reboot that seemed to work at the time but is mocked now.

About 8 min

The Force Awakens

Used as a 2015 revival-era comparison point for audience openness to legacy IP.

About 8 min

Field of Dreams

Compared to Creed as a movie that mixes sports with tears about fatherhood.

About 8 min

300

Used in a joke about combining emotional dad stories with punch-throwing intensity.

About 8 min

Raging Bull

Referenced as part of boxing-movie history and realism.

About 32 min

The Wrestler

Mentioned through cinematographer Mauro Fiore’s earlier work.

About 32 min

Warrior

Used as the boxing/MMA comparison point when discussing modern fight movies.

About 1:28

Cobra Kai

Named as another successful legacy sequel/spinoff model.

About 1:12

The Wire

Referenced when talking about Michael B. Jordan as Wallace and Wood Harris as Avon Barksdale.

About 24 min

Hard Knocks

Referenced during the Liev Schreiber joke about losing cool.

About 48 min
10 Running jokes and short linesRecurring bits captured from the conversation

Philly authenticity and slang

The hosts riff on whether the film gets Philly words, cheesesteak orders, and street behavior exactly right.

About 1:20

Stallone voice impressions

Multiple bits involve joking Stallone delivery and Rocky-style cadences.

About 32 min

Baby Creed / Tone Trump joke

The 'Baby Creed' insult becomes a long-running bit about who started the fight and who was disrespectful.

About 40 min

PTI / sports-media cross-talk

Kornheiser and Wilbon are repeatedly invoked in jokes about boxing and sports commentary.

About 56 min

Hall of Fame boxing-movie commentary

They compare the film’s narration and fight coverage to HBO 24/7 and classic boxing coverage.

About 48 min

Bill Simmons

“Time beat him. Time takes everybody out.”
About 32 min

Van Lathan

“I gotta prove it that I'm not a mistake.”
About 40 min

Chris Ryan

“The more I fight, you fight.”
Opening minutes

Sean Fennessey

“You're the future of this division.”
About 1:20

Bill Simmons

“Rocky is my Star Wars.”
About 8 min

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