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THE REWATCHABLES · March 3, 2025

Rocky

A 1976 sports / drama movie directed by John G. Avildsen—and decision no. 45 in the Hanks–Cruise tape.

SportsDrama1970sDirected by John G. Avildsen
Rocky1976MOVIE
Podcast episode#384No. 395 overall
Movie year19761970s release
Tomatometer93%No. 16 of 128 tracked
Metacritic70View score
Roger Ebert4/4Original star rating
State of the raceHanks led by 324–21 · 0 ties

FROM THE CONVERSATION

What they said about the movie

The episode argues that Rocky is the template for the modern sports-underdog movie: a sad, slow, mid-70s character study that becomes an emotional payoff machine, with an especially powerful supporting cast and an iconic training/fight structure. The hosts admire its cultural impact and Stallone’s breakout, while also noting the film’s slowness, Pauly’s awfulness, and how later sequels reframe it as a prequel.
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WHY IT WORKS

What made it rewatchable

  1. 01It established the modern sports-movie underdog template and its beats still feel foundational. Opening minutes
  2. 02The first-half character work and grim Philadelphia atmosphere make the eventual payoff feel huge on rewatch. About 8 min
  3. 03The soundtrack and training montage are still electric and endlessly imitated. About 40 min
  4. 04Apollo Creed, Mickey, Adrian, and even Jergens/Gazzo’s driver make the movie unusually rich in memorable supporting parts. About 32 min

WHAT DID NOT WORK

Their main criticisms

  1. moderateThe first half is very slow and can feel like a bummer or a slog on modern viewings. About 8 min
  2. majorPauly is almost unbearably awful and cruel for much of the film. About 56 min
  3. minorSome boxing/fight coverage feels underpopulated or technically rough by modern standards. About 40 min · medium confidence
  4. minorThe Rocky-Adrian courtship scenes are slow by contemporary pacing standards. About 1:12

SCENES THEY KEPT COMING BACK TO

Standout moments

positive

Spider Rico opening fight

The gritty pre-credits boxing scene sets the movie’s dirty, low-rent tone and introduces Rocky’s world.

About 1:28
mixed

Gazzo/driver extortion run

The loan-shark material is funny but also highlights the movie’s sleazy street-level world.

About 48 min
positive

Mickey’s locker-room apology

The scene where Mickey explains his bitterness and asks to manage Rocky is treated as emotional and well written.

About 40 min
positive

Meat locker interview

Rocky’s post-fight interview in the meat freezer is remembered for its small gestures and credibility.

About 32 min
Favorite

Art Museum training run

The ‘Gonna Fly Now’ run up the stairs is the episode’s signature sports-movie scene.

About 40 min
positive

Spectrum walk-through before the fight

Rocky’s quiet walk through the empty arena captures his fear and resolve.

About 40 min
positive

First date at the ice rink

The rink date is praised as a perfect slow-burn courtship scene that lets Adrian and Rocky close the distance.

About 1:12
Favorite

Climactic Apollo fight

The first-round knockdown, body-shot comeback, and final distance run are treated as the movie’s big payoff.

About 48 min

WHERE THEY DISAGREED

The biggest debates

They partly agreed About 1:44

Which of the first four Rocky movies is best

Bill Simmons

Prefers Rocky III, then Rocky I, then Rocky IV, with Rocky II last.

Van Lathan

Prefers Rocky III, then Rocky IV, then Rocky I, then Rocky V, with Rocky II last.

Chris Ryan

Generally aligns with Rocky III as the high point and Rocky I as the foundational film.

No final agreement About 32 min · medium confidence

Whether Apollo clearly wins the first fight

Bill Simmons

Reads the fight as one Apollo likely lost, or at least narrowly failed to dominate.

Van Lathan

Treats the fight more as a moral/emotional Rocky win than a clean boxing verdict.

They agreed About 1:36

Whether Rocky or Raging Bull is the desert-island boxing pick

Bill Simmons

Would take Raging Bull.

Chris Ryan

Also leans Raging Bull as the stronger film.

They agreed About 1:36

Who won the movie hardest

Bill Simmons

Suggests Stallone may be the all-time biggest “won the movie” case.

Van Lathan

Agrees Stallone is the clear winner of the project.

10 People discussedActors, directors, writers, and producers
9 Conversation takesSpeakers shown only where the transcript identifies them
Bill SimmonsLoved it

Rocky as a prequel to Rocky III

Argues that Rocky now plays like a prequel to the later sequels, with the later franchise changes retroactively re-framing it.

Opening minutes
Bill SimmonsLoved it

Rocky as the prototype sports movie

Says Rocky effectively created the modern sports-underdog narrative template.

Opening minutes
Van LathanStrongly disliked it

Pauly

Calls Pauly his top movie enemy and spends much of the episode cataloging his cruelty.

About 24 min
Bill SimmonsLoved it

Apollo Creed

Treats Apollo as one of the greatest sports-movie supporting characters, with strong business instinct and charisma.

About 16 min
Chris RyanLoved it

5 a.m. training and the Art Museum stairs

Calls the training buildup and final stairs run one of the movie’s key emotional payoffs.

About 40 min
Bill SimmonsMixed

Mickey

Finds Mickey cruel at first but later sympathetic as an old guy disappointed by wasted potential.

About 48 min
Van LathanLoved it

Rocky as a 1970s city movie

Says the film captures a smoky, depressed, lived-in Philadelphia unlike later suburban sports films.

About 16 min
Bill SimmonsLoved it

Rocky’s meat-locker TV interview

Holds up the TV interview in the meat locker as a great subtle scene and a key building block.

About 32 min
Chris RyanLiked it

Adrian

Sees Adrian as a grounding presence whose quiet vulnerability gives the movie emotional balance.

About 1:04
5 ThemesThe larger ideas in the discussion

Underdog mythology

Rocky is framed as the definitive nobody-gets-a-chance story, where the act of getting the chance matters as much as the result.

Opening minutes

Race, capitalism, and sports promotion

Apollo is discussed as a savvy strategist who uses race, media, and spectacle to sell the fight.

About 8 min

Transformation through opportunity

The fight changes Rocky, Adrian, and the people around him; the win is emotional and social, not just athletic.

About 24 min

Philadelphia as a lived-in, depressed city

The movie is treated as an essential portrait of 1970s Philadelphia grime and dignity.

About 16 min

Stallone as a breakout auteur-star

The episode treats Rocky as an extraordinary self-made star turn and a major rags-to-riches story for Stallone.

About 24 min
23 Facts and referencesProduction notes and other movies mentioned

Production note

The movie won three Oscars: Best Picture, Director, and Editing.

About 56 min

Production note

The original ending was changed multiple times; the final version with the bell and Adrian worked best.

About 1:04

Production note

Garrett Brown’s Steadicam was used in the film and the stairs shot helped prove the technology.

About 40 min

Production note

The production initially shot the ice-skating date that way because they could not afford extras.

About 1:28

Production note

Burt Young apparently used vermouth and heavy clothing to stay in a miserable Pauly mindset.

About 1:28 · medium confidence

Production note

Stallone sold his real dog, then bought it back after the script sale.

About 1:28

Production note

The script originally had Rocky throwing the fight and Mickey being a racist, but those elements were softened.

About 1:28

Production note

The film was made on a roughly $1.1 million budget and grossed about $225 million.

About 32 min

The Godfather

Used as an analogy for how much of Rocky is about domestic life rather than the climactic event.

Opening minutes

Rocky III

Described as the later movie that retroactively changes how Rocky I plays.

Opening minutes

Longer Yard

Cited as an earlier sports movie precursor, though not the same kind of underdog template.

Opening minutes · medium confidence

Karate Kid

Used as the next-generation version of this underdog sports formula.

About 16 min

Mean Streets

Bill compares Rocky to Stallone making his own urban character study.

About 16 min

The Bad News Bears

Mentioned as another 1976 film that subverted expectations about victory.

About 1:12

Jaws

Used as one of the era’s huge cultural phenomenon movies.

About 16 min

Saturday Night Fever

Referenced as another example of a major 1977 phenomenon and as a possible double feature.

About 16 min

Star Wars

Referenced as another 1977 phenomenon in the same conversation about blockbuster impact.

About 16 min

All the President’s Men

Used in the Oscars discussion as the host’s preferred Best Picture winner over Rocky.

About 32 min

Network

Mentioned as the film from which Peter Finch won Best Actor and as part of the tough Oscar field.

About 32 min

Taxi Driver

Referenced as a major Oscar contender and cultural touchstone.

About 32 min

Raging Bull

Used for multiple comparisons, especially as the superior but less culturally pervasive boxing movie.

About 1:36

The Dark Knight

Referenced indirectly as part of a later sports-movie style comparison?

Opening minutes · low confidence

Forrest Gump

Mentioned in a joke about jogging being revived by another film, though the conversation primarily centers on Rocky’s training influence.

About 16 min · medium confidence
10 Running jokes and short linesRecurring bits captured from the conversation

Beep beep / pew pew

Van repeatedly jokes around his podcast catchphrase and Bill teases him back.

Opening minutes

Pauly as the movie’s permanent villain

The hosts keep returning to Pauly as the film’s worst person, with new examples of his cruelty.

About 24 min

Great shot, Gordo

They use the recurring “great shot” bit to salute specific visual moments, especially the Art Museum run.

About 32 min

Doo-wop street corner nostalgia

The doo-wop singers and old-school street atmosphere become a running joke about vanished urban life.

Opening minutes

Cut me, Mick

They repeatedly imitate and quote Rocky’s plea during the fight as a favorite line/bits.

About 40 min

Bill Simmons

“Rocky is now a prequel for Rocky 3.”
Opening minutes

Van Lathan

“My number one op in film history.”
About 24 min

Bill Simmons

“You're gonna eat lightning”
About 1:36

Bill Simmons

“Cut me, Mick.”
About 40 min

Bill Simmons

“I fight in clubs.”
About 32 min

MAKE IT A MOVIE NIGHT

Where to watch

UNITED STATES

Checking where Rocky is available…

WHAT TO WATCH NEXT

Movies to watch before and after.

Three movies to watch before Rocky, and three to watch next.

Finding six movies…Three to watch first and three to watch next.
Includes a Rewatchables episodePosters from TMDB.

ON THE MIC

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Bill Simmons headshotBill Simmons125 tracked appearances · 56 H / 64 C / 5 ties
Chris Ryan headshotChris Ryan77 tracked appearances · 36 H / 38 C / 3 ties
Van Lathan headshotVan Lathan36 tracked appearances · 11 H / 23 C / 2 ties

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