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THE REWATCHABLES · January 19, 2021

First Blood

A 1982 action / adventure directed by Ted Kotcheff, covered in the complete Rewatchables archive.

ActionAdventure1980sDirected by Ted Kotcheff
Overall episode#183Source sheet order
Movie year19821980s
Tomatometer86%Critics’ score
Metacritic61View score
Roger Ebert3/4Original star rating
DirectorTed KotcheffAction / Adventure

FROM THE CONVERSATION

What they said about the movie

A highly enthusiastic discussion arguing that First Blood is a lean, serious, and foundational action movie that also works as a Vietnam-war film and a showcase for Stallone’s star power. Both speakers praise its tight structure, emotional core, and rewatchable action stretches, while noting some dated or awkward elements like the ending song and a few production logic issues.
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In this conversation
Bill SimmonsBrian Koppelman

WHY IT WORKS

What made it rewatchable

  1. 01The jail-to-motorcycle escape sequence is a long, riveting stretch of pure action filmmaking. About 32 min
  2. 02Troutman’s entrance and dialogue give the movie a memorable, quotable authority figure. About 32 min
  3. 03The film’s premise is simple and emotionally legible, making Rambo’s unfair treatment easy to root against. About 8 min
  4. 04The movie’s use of PTSD and the Vietnam-veteran angle gives the action a serious emotional anchor. About 8 min
  5. 05The score and closing build reinforce the movie’s momentum and emotional payoff. About 48 min · medium confidence

WHAT DID NOT WORK

Their main criticisms

  1. moderateThe ending song 'It's a Long Road' is singled out as a bad fit for the movie. About 48 min
  2. minorSome geography and timing logic in the mountain chase feels unrealistic or inconsistent. About 1:04
  3. minorA few plot mechanics depend on the sheriff and deputies behaving implausibly. About 1:04 · medium confidence
  4. minorThe movie has almost no women and very few characters of color. About 48 min

SCENES THEY KEPT COMING BACK TO

Standout moments

positive

Opening setup at the diner

Rambo’s attempt to get something to eat and the reveal of his Vietnam connections set up the movie’s emotional core.

About 8 min
Favorite

Jail shave-and-escape

Rambo is manhandled, then violently breaks out and steals the motorcycle in a signature action sequence.

About 32 min
Favorite

Cliff jump and helicopter chase

Rambo’s leap into the tree and fall from the cliff is treated as a classic, harrowing stunt beat.

About 32 min
positive

Night hunt in the mountains

The posse’s attempt to hunt Rambo turns into Rambo hunting them instead.

About 40 min
Favorite

Troutman’s first entrance

Troutman arrives to claim Rambo and immediately establishes the larger war-machine idea behind the character.

About 32 min
positive

Rats in the cave

The rat attack is singled out as a memorable theatrical scare and part of the movie’s survival tension.

About 40 min
positive

Final surrender and monologue

Rambo’s emotional breakdown and speech about being forgotten is treated as powerful acting and thematic payoff.

About 40 min

WHERE THEY DISAGREED

The biggest debates

They agreed About 8 min

Is First Blood a Vietnam movie or primarily an action movie?

Bill Simmons

It is both, and one of the best Vietnam movies while also launching modern action.

Brian Koppelman

It is a transition film that matters as an action movie and as a serious Vietnam film.

They agreed About 16 min

Who was the stronger Best Actor nominee in 1982?

Bill Simmons

Stallone had no awards case; Paul Newman may have deserved it.

Brian Koppelman

Agrees Stallone had no case and defends the listed nominees, especially Kingsley and Newman.

They partly agreed About 48 min

Did Richard Crenna or Brian Dennehy have the more important supporting performance?

Bill Simmons

Dennehy is huge, but Crenna is also crucial and maybe the better anchor of the movie.

Brian Koppelman

Crenna is the key support performance because every line lands and the role is very difficult.

They agreed About 48 min

Is the ending song a good choice?

Bill Simmons

No, it badly misses the tone of the movie.

Brian Koppelman

Agrees and jokes that it is not fit for the film.

They partly agreed About 1:04

Could Rambo have avoided blowing up if Teasel had not pushed him?

Bill Simmons

Teasel caused nearly all of the collapse, but Rambo probably would have snapped eventually.

Brian Koppelman

Rambo might have blown regardless, but Teasel did almost all the work.

12 People discussedActors, directors, writers, and producers
very favorableSylvester StalloneBill Simmons: Praised as at his best here, the movie’s key star, and the person who made the action genre work in this form. Opening minutes very favorableRichard CrennaBrian Koppelman: Celebrated for a high-degree-of-difficulty performance that makes Troutman entertaining in every scene. About 8 min favorableBrian DennehyBrian Koppelman: Seen as a great villainous presence whose physicality helps make Teasel effective. About 8 min
favorableDavid MorrellBill Simmons: His novel is described as excellent and foundational to the film’s success. About 8 min
neutralTed KotcheffBill Simmons: Identified as the director; no strong opinion beyond context. About 24 min
favorableJack LemmonBill Simmons: Mentioned as a Best Actor nominee he admires, in contrast to Stallone’s lack of awards case. About 16 min mixedBen KingsleyBill Simmons: Used as part of an awards comparison; Bill thinks the Gandhi win is defensible but not his favorite choice. About 16 min favorablePaul NewmanBill Simmons: Bill thinks Newman may have deserved the Oscar over Kingsley. About 16 min
criticalDan HillBill Simmons: His end-title song is mocked as a poor choice for the movie. About 48 min
neutralMario KassarBrian Koppelman: Mentioned as one of the action-movie producers whose name signals the era. About 40 min
neutralAndrew G. VajnaBrian Koppelman: Mentioned alongside Kassar as a hallmark producer name from the era. About 40 min
neutralKirk DouglasBill Simmons: Mentioned as an earlier Troutman candidate who quit over a script dispute. About 48 min · medium confidence
11 Conversation takesSpeakers shown only where the transcript identifies them
Bill SimmonsLoved it

First Blood as the start of the modern action era

Argues the movie is a foundational action film that launches the modern action template.

Opening minutes
Brian KoppelmanLoved it

First Blood as a transition film

Says it bridges 70s serious action cinema and 80s star-driven action spectacle.

Opening minutes
Bill SimmonsLoved it

Rambo’s jailbreak and motorcycle escape

Treats the escape as one of the all-time great action sequences and the key rewatchable stretch.

About 32 min
Brian KoppelmanLoved it

Troutman’s first entrance

Praised as a perfect introduction to the character and a great dialogue scene.

About 32 min
Bill SimmonsLoved it

Sylvester Stallone

Argues Stallone was already a major star, but this movie cemented his A-list action status.

About 24 min
Brian KoppelmanLoved it

Richard Crenna

Ranks Crenna as one of the film’s great pleasures and a major reason the movie works.

About 8 min
Bill SimmonsLiked it

Vietnam aftermath and PTSD

Sees the movie as one of the best Vietnam films because it captures how veterans were treated and what they carried home.

About 8 min
Brian KoppelmanDid not like it

The ending song

Thinks the Dan Hill song is a bad tonal fit and should not have been used.

About 48 min
Bill SimmonsLiked it

The best Vietnam movies debate

Places First Blood in the next tier after Apocalypse Now and above many other Vietnam movies in rewatchability.

About 8 min
Brian KoppelmanLoved it

Brian Dennehy

Finds Dennehy excellent as Teasel and a big part of the movie’s success.

About 8 min
Bill SimmonsMixed

Troutman and Teasel drinking together

Finds the scene oddly forced, though he later acknowledges the actors’ quality.

About 40 min
5 ThemesThe larger ideas in the discussion

Vietnam-war aftermath

The film is framed as one of the best Vietnam movies because it shows how veterans were forgotten and mistreated after returning home.

About 8 min

Modern action-movie template

They argue the movie helped create the modern action film by combining serious stakes, a lone protagonist, and efficient action spectacle.

Opening minutes

Star-making vehicle for Stallone

The film is treated as the movie that cemented Stallone as a major action star beyond Rocky.

About 24 min

Police brutality and abuse of power

The opening conflict is framed as an early example of a mainstream movie where police act abusively and provoke the conflict.

About 32 min

Action with emotional seriousness

They emphasize that the movie is violent and entertaining but still about something important.

Opening minutes
22 Facts and referencesProduction notes and other movies mentioned

Production note

The movie was cut from an initial rough cut reportedly over three hours down to 93 minutes.

About 40 min

Production note

The original ending reportedly had Rambo killing himself in the script or in test versions.

About 16 min

Production note

Stallone says the film’s success turned him into a major action star and set up the franchise.

About 24 min

Production note

Richard Crenna was cast very late, reportedly the day before filming his part began.

About 48 min · medium confidence

Production note

Stallone broke a rib doing the cliff stunt himself.

About 32 min

Production note

A stuntman reportedly broke his back in the motorcycle jump sequence.

About 32 min

Disputed in the episode

Brian Dennehy was later criticized for implying he had served in Vietnam.

About 48 min · medium confidence

Production note

A deleted flashback scene allegedly featured a nude Vietnamese prostitute played by Susie Pie.

About 48 min · medium confidence

48 Hours

Used as a marker of the early-1980s action-movie turn alongside First Blood.

Opening minutes

Dirty Harry

Referenced as part of the 70s action lineage that First Blood evolves from.

About 8 min

Billy Jack

Cited as a similar outsider-pushed-too-far premise.

About 8 min

The Deer Hunter

Used as a contrasting Vietnam film that is longer, sadder, and less rewatchable.

About 8 min

Coming Home

Mentioned as another serious Vietnam film that is not especially rewatchable.

About 8 min

Apocalypse Now

Held up as the best Vietnam movie overall, with First Blood in the next tier.

About 8 min

Full Metal Jacket

Cited for its first hour as one of the best Vietnam-film stretches.

About 16 min

Platoon

Included in the group of major Hollywood Vietnam movies that followed First Blood.

About 16 min

Missing

Used in the Best Actor comparison, and Bill strongly praises it.

About 16 min

North Dallas Forty

Mentioned as another Ted Kotcheff film Brian likes.

About 24 min

Weekend at Bernie's

Mentioned as another Ted Kotcheff-directed movie.

About 24 min

The Verdict

Referenced in the 1982 Oscar discussion as a film Bill thinks may have deserved Best Actor for Paul Newman.

About 16 min

Rocky III

Used to explain Stallone’s rise in 1982 and his box-office power.

About 24 min

Rocky IV

Mentioned as part of Stallone’s mid-80s domination.

About 24 min
10 Running jokes and short linesRecurring bits captured from the conversation

Titles spoken in dialogue

Bill repeatedly likes when the movie title is said in the dialogue, and Brian agrees it works here.

About 40 min

Producer names as action-movie signifiers

They joke that names like Mario Kassar and Andrew G. Vajna sound like fake, powerful action producers.

About 40 min

Richard Crenna admiration

They keep returning to how fun and effective Crenna is as Troutman.

About 32 min

Dan Hill song mockery

They riff on how unfit 'It's a Long Road' is as the ending song.

About 48 min

Apex Mountain / casting game

They run through who reached peak status from the movie and hypothetical remakes.

About 48 min

Brian Koppelman

“God didn't make Rambo. I made him.”
About 32 min

Bill Simmons

“They drew first blood, not me.”
About 40 min

Bill Simmons

“Nothing is over. Nothing!”
About 40 min

Brian Koppelman

“We're not hunting him. He's hunting us.”
About 40 min

Bill Simmons

“All I wanted was something to eat.”
About 8 min

MAKE IT A MOVIE NIGHT

Where to watch

UNITED STATES

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WHAT TO WATCH NEXT

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Three movies to watch before First Blood, and three to watch next.

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