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THE REWATCHABLES · October 26, 2017

Face/Off

A 1997 action / sci-fi directed by John Woo, covered in the complete Rewatchables archive.

ActionSci-fi1990sDirected by John Woo
Overall episode#16Source sheet order
Movie year19971990s
Tomatometer93%Critics’ score
Metacritic82View score
Roger Ebert3/4Original star rating
DirectorJohn WooAction / Sci-fi

FROM THE CONVERSATION

What they said about the movie

A live Rewatchables episode celebrating Face/Off as an absurd but highly rewatchable action movie, with lots of praise for Cage/Travolta overacting, John Woo set pieces, and the movie's escalating dumbness-as-spectacle. The discussion is affectionate, joke-heavy, and frequently returns to how the film still works despite or because of its ridiculous premise.
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WHY IT WORKS

What made it rewatchable

  1. 01The film is packed with multiple rewatchable set pieces, including the airport shootout, prison escape, and the "Somewhere Over the Rainbow" sequence. About 8 min
  2. 02Cage and Travolta's extreme performances make the movie fun to revisit as an overacting showcase. Opening minutes
  3. 03John Woo's staging, slow motion, and escalation of absurd details give the movie a maximalist action-movie energy. About 8 min
  4. 04The film commits hard to its title and premise, including literally saying "take his face off," which the hosts find satisfying. About 16 min

WHAT DID NOT WORK

Their main criticisms

  1. moderateThe CGI and some stunt/double effects look dated. About 24 min
  2. majorThe father-daughter material and Cage's interactions with Dominic Swain are uncomfortable. About 24 min
  3. minorThe prison/magnet logic and other plot mechanics are absurd even by action-movie standards. About 8 min
  4. moderateSome of the sexual/caressing material and the disguised Cage behavior are hard to defend now. About 24 min

SCENES THEY KEPT COMING BACK TO

Standout moments

critical

Opening carousel sniper attack

Archer's son is killed in slow motion by Caster Troy from a sniper perch, establishing the revenge plot and the movie's melodramatic tone.

Opening minutes
critical

Pastor disguise and molestation setup

They recall Cage's early disguise as a pastor and the uncomfortable teenage-girl material as part of the opening stretch.

Opening minutes
Favorite

Somewhere Over the Rainbow shootout

A trip-hop, absinthe, child-in-danger shootout that the hosts treat as the film's signature rewatchable scene.

About 8 min
Favorite

Catalina prison escape

The magnetic-boot prison and escape sequence are praised as peak action absurdity.

About 8 min
mixed

Face-swap surgery sequence

The surgery is memorable for its visual absurdity and dated effects, especially the haircut after the face is removed.

About 24 min
Favorite

Face-off dialogue moment

They enjoy the scene where the title phrase is actually spoken: 'I'd like to take his face off.'

About 16 min
Favorite

Prison fight with emotional breakdown

Nick Cage's prison confrontation with Pollux and the crying fit are singled out as an all-time funny scene.

About 16 min
mixed

Church standoff ending

The final church confrontation is praised for quotable lines and escalating absurdity, but also tied to the uncomfortable family material.

About 48 min

WHERE THEY DISAGREED

The biggest debates

They partly agreed About 8 min

Most rewatchable scene

Chris Ryan

"Somewhere Over the Rainbow" shootout is the best scene.

Bill Simmons

Prison escape and magnetic boots are the best scene.

Jason Concepcion

Opening carousel/sniper attack is his favorite early sequence.

They left it as a friendly argument About 16 min

Best casting what-if

Jason Concepcion

Stallone and Schwarzenegger would be interesting because the physical mismatch would be funny.

Chris Ryan

Douglas and Ford would be funniest because of their contempt for the material.

Shea Serrano

Van Damme and Seagal would be the worst and therefore most appealing.

No final agreement About 48 min

Which swap performance is better

Bill Simmons

Travolta gets the more fun part as evil Travolta, while Cage's role may be less fun.

Jason Concepcion

Cage still had the more fun role overall.

Chris Ryan

Cage's performance is central to the movie working at all.

They agreed About 56 min

Was Cage bad or good-bad?

Bill Simmons

Cage was great here and only later became worse.

Chris Ryan

Cage has a consistent odd style and this movie shows it well.

Speaker not identified

They cheer that Cage was good.

15 People discussedActors, directors, writers, and producers
very favorableJohn WooBill Simmons: Praised as a favorite director whose style is especially suited to this kind of action excess. Opening minutes very favorableNicolas CageBill Simmons: Celebrated for wild, committed performance choices and for making the movie fun. Opening minutes favorableJohn TravoltaBill Simmons: Praised for his performance, especially when playing the evil version of Archer, though some of the role's material is criticized. Opening minutes favorableRoger EbertBill Simmons: Mentioned as having given the film three out of four stars and praised Cage's work. Opening minutes neutralJoan AllenChris Ryan: Discussed mainly in relation to the wife role and the swapped-face domestic setup. About 16 min
criticalDominique SwainBill Simmons: Used in criticism of the uncomfortable father-daughter/teenage-girl material. About 24 min
neutralGina GershonBill Simmons: Mentioned in casting talk and as part of a choice Julianne Margulies passed on. About 8 min
favorableCCH PounderBill Simmons: Praised as a memorable presence, especially for chain-smoking and driving the face-swap plan. About 24 min
favorableAlessandro NivolaBill Simmons: Highlighted as the performer playing Pollux Troy and delivering an odd, memorable voice. About 24 min
neutralMichael DouglasBill Simmons: Mentioned only in casting what-ifs and a joke about a sexual-thriller version. About 16 min neutralHarrison FordBill Simmons: Mentioned in alternate casting discussion. About 16 min neutralArnold SchwarzeneggerBill Simmons: Mentioned in alternate casting discussion for the original script idea. About 16 min neutralSylvester StalloneBill Simmons: Mentioned in alternate casting discussion for the original script idea. About 16 min
neutralJules AsnerBill Simmons: Mentioned only in passing during a joke about Sean Archer's wife. About 24 min · low confidence
neutralJoaquin PhoenixBill Simmons: Mentioned as an example in a joke about Nicholas Cage's later career. Opening minutes · low confidence
10 Conversation takesSpeakers shown only where the transcript identifies them
Bill SimmonsLoved it

Face/Off as a title and concept

Argues the movie feels like a title conceived before the script and admires that it literally works the title into dialogue.

Opening minutes
Bill SimmonsLoved it

prison escape and magnetic boots

Thinks the prison with magnetic boots is absurdly great and a major rewatchable section.

About 8 min
Chris RyanLoved it

Somewhere Over the Rainbow shootout

Names this as the most rewatchable scene because it layers music, the child, absinthe, and the shootout into a perfect set piece.

About 8 min
Shea SerranoLoved it

John Woo

Praises Woo's action sensibility and treats the movie's escalation as part of Woo's signature style.

Opening minutes
Jason ConcepcionLoved it

opening carousel/sniper attack

Identifies the opening as memorable because of the creepy father-son affection and Cage's disguised sniper setup.

Opening minutes
Chris RyanLiked it

identity swap logic

Finds the concept itself enduringly appealing even when the logistics are ridiculous.

About 8 min
Bill SimmonsLoved it

Nicolas Cage

Treats Cage's performance as a key reason the movie works and credits him with a uniquely committed kind of craziness.

Opening minutes
Shea SerranoLiked it

face-transplant surgery

Likes the surgery sequence but mainly as a source of unintentionally funny details and dated effects.

About 24 min
Bill SimmonsMixed

Pollux Troy

Thinks Pollux is a problem and would have benefitted from a stronger performance or casting choice.

About 24 min
Chris RyanLoved it

late-90s action excess

Sees the film as an example of a great action era where realism is ignored in favor of spectacle.

About 24 min
4 ThemesThe larger ideas in the discussion

Identity and performance

The episode keeps returning to how the movie is about switching identities and about actors performing exaggerated versions of each other.

Opening minutes

Escalation as comedy

The hosts admire how each scene keeps adding one more ridiculous element: drugs, a child, music, slow motion, magnets, or surgery details.

About 8 min

Rewatchable action craftsmanship

The movie is treated as a model for action-movie set pieces that are easy to drop into at any point.

About 8 min

Late-90s action excess

They frame the film as a product of a specific era of overblown action movies, star vanity, and loose realism.

About 24 min
22 Facts and referencesProduction notes and other movies mentioned

Production note

The episode was taped live at Largo in front of over 200 people.

Opening minutes

Production note

The hosts say the film grossed $245 million worldwide.

Opening minutes

Production note

They say the film was initially written with Stallone and Schwarzenegger in mind.

About 16 min

Mentioned with uncertainty

They say Johnny Depp was in until he found out it wasn't a hockey movie.

About 16 min · medium confidence

Production note

They say the original concept was set in space and John Woo resisted that version.

About 32 min

Production note

They say the studio wanted to remove the slash from the title, but Woo resisted.

About 32 min

Production note

They say the boat chase took four weeks to film.

About 32 min

Production note

They mention an alternate ending on the special edition DVD where Travolta sees Castor's face in the mirror.

About 32 min

Production note

They say Cage and Travolta spent two weeks together learning each other's mannerisms.

About 32 min · medium confidence

Production note

They joke that Caster Troy was Time magazine's Man of the Year after foiling a bomb.

About 56 min

The Punisher

Jason compares the opening revenge setup to a Punisher origin story.

Opening minutes

Shawshank Redemption

Used jokingly as an example of how Andy should have cut off his face to escape.

Opening minutes

Austin Powers

Referenced when the hosts compare henchmen fake-laughing in this movie to the later comedy's style.

About 8 min

The Rock

Mentioned as one of Cage's strong post-Oscar choices.

Opening minutes

Con Air

Mentioned as one of Cage's strong post-Oscar choices.

Opening minutes

Leaving Las Vegas

Referenced as the Oscar-winning role that set up Cage's later career choices.

Opening minutes

ER

Used in a casting note about Julianne Margulies turning down Gina Gershon's role.

About 8 min

Binge Mode

Used to introduce Jason Concepcion.

Opening minutes

Californication

Referenced in sponsor copy, not as film analysis.

Opening minutes · low confidence

White Famous

Mentioned in sponsor copy, not as film analysis.

Opening minutes · low confidence

Hotel Tonight

Mentioned in sponsor copy at the end.

About 1:12 · low confidence

The Fugitive

Announced as the next Rewatchables episode at the end.

About 1:12 · low confidence
10 Running jokes and short linesRecurring bits captured from the conversation

Face/dick logistics

The hosts repeatedly joke about how the film handled the characters' bodies, including whether the swap included genital detail.

About 8 min

Magnetic prison boots

They keep returning to the prison's magnetic-boot system as a dumb but wonderful action-movie idea.

About 8 min

Overacting Olympics

The show keeps framing Cage vs. Travolta as a performance competition.

Opening minutes

John Woo escalation

They repeatedly praise Woo for continually adding more absurd elements to each action sequence.

About 8 min

What if every character were Trejo?

A new category imagines how the movie would work if Danny Trejo played everyone.

About 40 min

Bill Simmons

“I'd like to take his face off.”
About 16 min

Shea Serrano

“Machete don't face off.”
About 40 min

Bill Simmons

“What a predicament.”
About 48 min

Chris Ryan

“There will be a lot of changes around here.”
About 1:04

Bill Simmons

“We'll take a break when the case breaks, okay?”
About 56 min

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