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THE REWATCHABLES · November 8, 2022

Cruising

A 1980 crime / thriller directed by William Friedkin, covered in the complete Rewatchables archive.

CrimeThriller1980sDirected by William Friedkin
Overall episode#281Source sheet order
Movie year19801980s
Tomatometer50%Critics’ score
Metacritic43View score
Roger Ebert—No review recorded
DirectorWilliam FriedkinCrime / Thriller

FROM THE CONVERSATION

What they said about the movie

The hosts argue that Cruising is a surprisingly rich, stylish, and still-shocking movie whose ambiguity and immersion in late-1970s New York underground life make it far more interesting than its original controversy suggested. They treat it as both a murder mystery and a movie about law enforcement, desire, masculinity, and sexual transformation.
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WHY IT WORKS

What made it rewatchable

  1. 01Its ambiguity keeps inviting rewatchs and argument about what actually happened and what Pacino's character became. About 8 min
  2. 02William Friedkin's immersive visual style makes the underground clubs feel authentic rather than voyeuristic. Opening minutes
  3. 03The period New York setting captures a specific city energy of danger, nightlife, and overlapping subcultures. About 8 min
  4. 04Pacino's gradual costume and behavioral shift gives the movie a watchable character arc even when the plot is murky. About 1:04
  5. 05The ending is visually memorable and emotionally unresolved. About 8 min

WHAT DID NOT WORK

Their main criticisms

  1. moderateThe movie's editing and damaged sound/postproduction create confusion about who did what. Opening minutes
  2. minorSome dialogue, especially sex/psychoanalytic talk, feels clunky or bad. About 48 min
  3. moderateThe undercover sting/interrogation logic is confusing and may not fully make sense. About 48 min
  4. moderateThe film is light on Black gay presence and broader representation. About 56 min

SCENES THEY KEPT COMING BACK TO

Standout moments

positive

Sorvino assigns Pacino the undercover case

Sorvino explains that the victims all look like Pacino and sends him into the clubs as bait.

About 32 min
Favorite

First club infiltration

Pacino enters the leather/S&M scene and the hosts note the film is fully committed to what it's showing.

Opening minutes
Favorite

Hanky-code lesson

A supporting character explains the meaning of colored handkerchiefs, and Pacino's curiosity pushes the plot forward.

About 1:04
Favorite

Pacino dancing in the club

The hosts love the scene where Pacino dances and begins visibly crossing into the world he is investigating.

About 1:12
positive

Dressmaker/kill sequence

A cat-and-mouse sequence around a dressmaker and a murder is praised as a compact Hitchcock-like passage.

About 1:12
critical

Interrogation scene with the shirtless black-undershorts figure

The cops use an intimidating S&M-coded setup to pressure a suspect, which the hosts find disturbing and hard to parse.

About 48 min
Favorite

Final showdown and harbor ending

Pacino's confrontation with the killer leads into a final coda that leaves the movie's meaning unresolved.

About 1:20
positive

Pacino's costume progression

His wardrobe shifts from khakis to work shirts to leather gear as his immersion deepens.

About 1:04

WHERE THEY DISAGREED

The biggest debates

No final agreement About 8 min

Is Pacino's character a killer or only drawn into the scene?

Bill Simmons

He is not convinced Pacino killed anyone, though he thinks the character may have gone home with men and possibly killed Ted.

Chris Ryan

The movie's ambiguity leaves the possibility open, but he leans toward confusion rather than a definitive killer reading.

Wesley Morris

He doubts Pacino is the killer and frames the issue more as psychological and sexual transformation.

They partly agreed About 32 min

What is the movie really about: murder mystery or sexual journey?

Bill Simmons

Views it as both, but increasingly as a film about exposure, law enforcement, and identity shift.

Chris Ryan

Says the world is the main attraction and the mystery is secondary to the immersion.

Wesley Morris

Argues the movie is fundamentally about masculinity and the distortions caused by exposure to this world.

They partly agreed About 8 min

How much does the controversy distort the film?

Bill Simmons

Thinks the quality has now transcended the original outrage.

Chris Ryan

Says the protests were understandable but the film is more humane than its critics claimed.

Wesley Morris

Emphasizes that the movie can be read as a straight person's journey through a gay world, which was part of the problem for some viewers.

No final agreement About 1:20

Would a remake work today?

Bill Simmons

Suggests the movie belongs to its era and is hard to reproduce.

Chris Ryan

Imagines a modern version would lose the ambiguity if the lead were openly gay.

Wesley Morris

Argues a contemporary version would need a star-driven psychological journey to work.

12 People discussedActors, directors, writers, and producers
favorableWilliam FriedkinPraised for visual immersion, curiosity, and for making the film more interesting than its controversy. Opening minutes mixedAl PacinoAdmired as a star committing to a strange role, but also described as underdirected, late, and not especially eloquent. About 16 min favorablePaul SorvinoLiked for his authoritative police-captain scenes and for delivering the setup to Pacino. About 32 min favorableKaren AllenAppreciated as a presence, though the hosts note her role is limited by editing and by what her character is allowed to know. About 1:12 neutralRoger EbertReferenced for giving the film two and a half stars and calling it visually strong but emotionally noncommittal. About 8 min
favorableNathan LeeCited approvingly for a vivid description of the film's underground scene and its erotic textures. About 16 min
neutralRandy JurgensenMentioned as a real undercover officer whose experience informed Friedkin's research. About 8 min
neutralWilliam Goldman's unnamed industry modelReferenced as a Hollywood pattern in which major roles are offered first to certain A-list stars. About 24 min · medium confidence
favorableJames RemarPraised as a strong 'that guy' presence and part of a 1970s/80s run of memorable appearances. About 1:20 favorableJoe SpinellCited as an electric supporting presence and part of the film's memorable police/underworld texture. About 1:20 favorableMike StarrMentioned as part of the film's strong supporting cast of intimidating cops. About 1:20
neutralWillem?No clear mention. Opening minutes · low confidence
15 Conversation takesSpeakers shown only where the transcript identifies them
Bill SimmonsLoved it

Cruising

Says the movie is really good, still holds up, and is more interesting than its reputation.

Opening minutes
Chris RyanLoved it

Cruising

Argues the film is full of ambiguity, style, and sexual anxiety and feels like a significant rewatch.

Opening minutes
Bill SimmonsLoved it

Pacino entering the club world

Likes the film's club immersion and the way the camera treats the scene as lived-in rather than touristy.

Opening minutes
Chris RyanLoved it

Friedkin's New York atmosphere

Sees the movie as 'shot of a place' and admired for capturing the stacked, dangerous texture of the city.

About 8 min
Wesley MorrisLoved it

masculinity and desire

Reads the movie as deeply invested in masculine performance and sexual transformation, not just a murder plot.

About 32 min
Bill SimmonsLiked it

Al Pacino

Loves Pacino in the movie but says it is not among his very best performances.

About 24 min
Chris RyanLoved it

William Friedkin

Argues Friedkin is more interested in the world and supporting characters than in star worship.

About 24 min
Wesley MorrisLoved it

the ending

Thinks the ending is great and appreciates that the film refuses to explain itself completely.

About 8 min
Bill SimmonsMixed

the police

Finds the NYPD behavior in the film deeply disturbing and weirdly revealing.

About 32 min
Chris RyanMixed

the interrogation setup

Calls the torture-like interrogation confusing but also an especially bracing moment.

About 48 min
Wesley MorrisLiked it

Paul Sorvino

Enjoys Sorvino's cop authority but also mocks his pool game and bluntness.

About 1:20
Bill SimmonsLiked it

Karen Allen

Likes Karen Allen in this era and thinks her final reveal is memorable even if she has little to do.

About 1:12
Chris RyanMixed

the film's politics

Argues the film can be understood as humane toward its subculture even if the original criticism was understandable.

About 8 min
Wesley MorrisMixed

Friedkin versus Pacino

Suggests Pacino is left to his own devices and that the director's interest lies elsewhere.

About 24 min
Bill SimmonsLiked it

the final reveal with Karen Allen

Sees the ending as suggestive rather than explanatory and loves the unresolved visual coda.

About 8 min
5 ThemesThe larger ideas in the discussion

Sexual ambiguity and transformation

Pacino's character is read as moving through exposure, curiosity, and possible self-discovery, with the film blurring policing and desire.

About 16 min

Masculinity as performance

The film's leather, uniforms, limps, and stylized body language are discussed as signs of compromised or contested masculinity.

About 24 min

Policing as lawless culture

The movie is treated as a William Friedkin police film in which law enforcement itself is unstable, sexualized, and abusive.

About 32 min

Late-1970s New York as a layered ecosystem

The film is praised for showing nightlife, crime, apartments, clubs, and street life stacked on top of one another.

About 8 min

Controversy versus quality

The hosts argue that the film's original anti-gay controversy obscured a better, more humane movie than critics assumed.

About 8 min
23 Facts and referencesProduction notes and other movies mentioned

Production note

Friedkin said the movie had to use different voices for the killer because of protest-related production damage.

Opening minutes

Production note

The film was initially given an X rating and Friedkin said he took it to the ratings board 50 times.

About 1:52

Production note

About 40 minutes of footage were deleted, and Friedkin later said the missing material might have made Pacino's character seem more culpable.

About 1:52

Production note

The movie was shot in part with cooperation from New York mafia figures because they owned many gay bars.

About 1:52

Production note

The morgue scene was reportedly the first time a film was allowed to shoot in that location.

About 1:52

Production note

Karen Allen was never shown a complete script.

About 1:52

Production note

John Rechy is mentioned as a sounding board who helped with a line about a gay liberation slogan.

About 1:52

Production note

James Franco and Travis Matthews made Interior. Leather Bar as a fictionalized project about the missing footage.

About 1:36

The Warriors

Used as a comparison point for another controversial New York film from the era.

Opening minutes

The French Connection

Cited as a Friedkin film that shows police lawlessness and urban urgency.

About 32 min

The Exorcist

Referenced as another Friedkin movie about institutional corruption and transgression.

About 32 min

Sorcerer

Mentioned as part of Friedkin's run before Cruising.

About 40 min

To Live and Die in L.A.

Used to describe Friedkin's continuing interest in rule-bound systems and corruption.

About 32 min

Star Wars

Pacino is said to have turned down the Han Solo role.

About 24 min

Close Encounters of the Third Kind

Another major role Pacino allegedly turned down.

About 24 min

Apocalypse Now

Another role Pacino allegedly passed on.

About 24 min

Kramer vs. Kramer

Cited as a part Pacino turned down before his 1980s pivot.

About 24 min

Slap Shot

Pacino reportedly wanted the part but could not skate.

About 24 min

Stardust Memories

Referenced in a discussion of Woody Allen moving backward into nostalgia.

About 8 min

Manhattan

Mentioned as part of Woody Allen's earlier New York nostalgia cycle.

About 8 min

Boogie Nights

Referenced during memorabilia talk as a comparison for collectible props.

About 1:52

The Watch

Referenced in a joking aside about Chris Ryan's other podcast.

Opening minutes · medium confidence

Still Processing

Referenced in a joke about Wesley Morris's other show.

Opening minutes · medium confidence
10 Running jokes and short linesRecurring bits captured from the conversation

Naughty November

The hosts repeatedly frame the episode as part of a themed month of provocative movies.

Opening minutes

Hanky code running gag

They keep returning to colored handkerchiefs as a symbol of the film's sexual subculture.

About 1:04

Shaving cream/cum joke

The ending shaving scene becomes a running joke about the closest thing the movie has to semen imagery.

About 1:28

Pacino's physical descent

They repeatedly track his clothing, makeup, and body language as signs of immersion.

About 1:04

What is going on with the NYPD?

The hosts keep returning to the police force's bizarre, sexualized behavior in the film.

About 32 min

Speaker not identified

“It's a movie about the police.”
About 40 min

Speaker not identified

“You have the wrong attitude.”
About 56 min

Speaker not identified

“Do you ever get your cock sucked”
About 32 min

Speaker not identified

“Blue hanky means blow job.”
About 1:04

Speaker not identified

“How big are you? Party size.”
About 1:52

MAKE IT A MOVIE NIGHT

Where to watch

UNITED STATES

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WHAT TO WATCH NEXT

Movies to watch before and after.

Three movies to watch before Cruising, and three to watch next.

Finding six movies…Three to watch first and three to watch next.
Includes a Rewatchables episodePosters from TMDB.

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