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THE REWATCHABLES · March 14, 2018

Creed

A 2015 drama / sports directed by Ryan Coogler, covered in the complete Rewatchables archive.

DramaSports2010sDirected by Ryan Coogler
Overall episode#28Source sheet order
Movie year20152010s
Tomatometer95%Critics’ score
Metacritic82View score
Roger Ebert—No review recorded
DirectorRyan CooglerDrama / Sports

FROM THE CONVERSATION

What they said about the movie

The episode argues that Creed succeeds because Ryan Coogler takes over the Rocky formula with confidence, style, and emotional intelligence, while Sylvester Stallone delivers a surprisingly tender supporting performance. The hosts celebrate the movie as a rare sports sequel that feels both nostalgic and newly alive, though they also note it runs long and has a few shaky character beats.
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WHY IT WORKS

What made it rewatchable

  1. 01The one-shot two-round boxing match is treated as an all-time great fight scene and a showcase for storytelling through action. About 32 min
  2. 02The ATV-to-Meek Mill training montage is singled out as an electric, stand-up-in-your-seat sequence. About 32 min
  3. 03The final fight and late-round stool/towel sequence deliver strong emotional payoff. About 32 min
  4. 04Ryan Coogler's visual style makes even familiar boxing-movie beats feel fresh and beautiful. About 16 min
  5. 05Stallone's quiet, weighty performance gives the Rocky character unexpected depth. About 16 min

WHAT DID NOT WORK

Their main criticisms

  1. moderateThe film runs about 12 to 13 minutes too long and feels a bit compressed in the second act. About 48 min
  2. minorTessa Thompson's Philadelphia accent is repeatedly mocked as bad or distracting. About 8 min
  3. minorOne club/concert confrontation with 'Baby Creed' feels fake or contrived. About 48 min
  4. minorBianca's artistry and some girlfriend-writing elements are treated as less convincing than the rest of the film. About 56 min · medium confidence

SCENES THEY KEPT COMING BACK TO

Standout moments

Favorite

One-shot Creed vs. Leo fight

The hosts call the two-round, one-shot boxing sequence a technical and narrative triumph.

About 32 min
Favorite

ATV ride to Meek Mill

Adonis's arrival/ride montage set to Meek Mill is treated as a rousing modern Rocky-style hype sequence.

About 32 min
Favorite

Seven-minute Rocky-cancer-training run

The montage that mixes Rocky's illness, training, and the outdoor stoppage is praised as emotionally overwhelming.

About 32 min
positive

Final rounds and towel moment

The late fight moments, especially Rocky's impulse to throw in the towel, are seen as strong payoff.

About 32 min
positive

Felicia Rashad meeting at the center

Rashad's scene with a social worker in deep focus is praised for quietly conveying stakes and procedure.

About 40 min
positive

Rocky and Adonis in Pauly's room

The close-up on Sly's son photo is described as a moving behind-the-scenes emotional moment.

About 16 min
critical

Bianca concert/graffiti 'Baby Creed' scene

One confrontation outside Bianca's concert is viewed as the movie's least convincing sequence.

About 48 min
Favorite

Final steps run

The ending with Adonis and Rocky climbing the Philadelphia steps is praised as satisfying and smart.

About 48 min

WHERE THEY DISAGREED

The biggest debates

They partly agreed About 1:12

Was Stallone or Coogler the film's real winner?

Bill Simmons

Coogler wins because the movie is his vision, though Stallone benefits too.

Sean Fennessey

Coogler wins because he made the comeback possible and revived the franchise.

Speaker not identified

Coogler wins for Stallone because he revived Stallone's acting career and the Rocky franchise.

No final agreement About 1:04

Does Michael B. Jordan need a more conventional star vehicle?

Sean Fennessey

He needs a different kind of role to reveal more range and layers.

Wesley Morris

His intensity is exciting and works when paired with seasoned actors.

Bill Simmons

He is still compelling but may benefit from different material.

They partly agreed About 1:20

How much long-form box-office risk does Hollywood still allow?

Sean Fennessey

Streaming and superhero dominance have narrowed the kinds of mid-budget movies that get made.

Wesley Morris

He misses a freer era of unprestigious, no-stakes studio dramas.

Bill Simmons

The current moment is exciting for filmmakers, but the industry is still overrun by superhero logic.

They partly agreed About 48 min

Is Creed too long?

Bill Simmons

Yes, by about 12 to 13 minutes.

Wesley Morris

It is too long but also somehow too short for some plot material.

Sean Fennessey

Its ambition partly justifies the length.

They left it as a friendly argument About 48 min

Could any of these roles have gone to different actors?

Wesley Morris

Richie Coster could plausibly be Leo's dad, and Danny Trejo should be in every boxing movie.

Bill Simmons

They joke about alternate casting and timeline questions.

19 People discussedActors, directors, writers, and producers
very favorableRyan CooglerBill Simmons: Praised as overqualified, visually inventive, and one of the most talented directors of his generation. About 8 min favorableSylvester StalloneBill Simmons: Discussed as a fascinating movie star and surprisingly strong supporting performer in Creed. About 8 min very favorableMichael B. JordanSean Fennessey: Seen as hungry, intense, and central to the movie's emotional charge. About 16 min
mixedTessa ThompsonBill Simmons: Praised as charming and important to the movie, but her accent and some line readings are mocked. About 8 min
favorableFelicia RashadWesley Morris: Lauded for bringing history and emotional specificity to Adonis's family scenes. About 32 min favorableAndre WardBill Simmons: His cameo is cited as part of a favorite gym scene. About 24 min favorableMeek MillBill Simmons: His music is tied to the film's standout ATV montage and its generational update of the Rocky theme. About 32 min favorableBill ContiSean Fennessey: His Rocky score is praised for being honored and echoed throughout Creed. About 40 min
neutralMo'nique Alston?No clear mention that can be confidently extracted from transcript. Opening minutes · low confidence
neutralWesley SnipesBill Simmons: Mentioned as part of a boxing-movie comparison in a discussion of black-led boxing films. About 56 min neutralVing RhamesBill Simmons: Referenced as part of the black boxing movie comparison. About 56 min favorableDenzel WashingtonSean Fennessey: Used as a comparison point for career trajectory and for black movie-star range. About 1:04 neutralChadwick BosemanWesley Morris: Mentioned in the Black Panther discussion as a more seasoned counterpoint to Jordan. About 1:04 favorableBarry JenkinsSean Fennessey: Named as one of the most promising directors working over the next 20 years. About 40 min favorableDamien ChazelleSean Fennessey: Cited as another top young director in the future-directors conversation. About 40 min
favorableTrey Edward ShultsBill Simmons: Mentioned as an exciting filmmaker in the same future-talent discussion. About 40 min
criticalThe Safdie brothersWesley Morris: Wesley says he does not buy them and calls them frauds. About 40 min
favorableAva DuVernaySean Fennessey: Mentioned as part of a broader conversation about major black filmmakers with real power. About 1:20
favorableJordan PeeleSean Fennessey: Named as a major emerging filmmaker in the current moment. About 1:20
10 Conversation takesSpeakers shown only where the transcript identifies them
Bill SimmonsLiked it

Creed as a Rocky movie

Bill frames Creed as a smart continuation that mostly lets Rocky V and VI recede into the background.

About 8 min
Wesley MorrisLiked it

Sylvester Stallone

Wesley treats Stallone as a uniquely fascinating movie star with unusual charisma and myth-making ability.

About 8 min
Sean FennesseyLoved it

Ryan Coogler

Sean argues Coogler's talent is the main reason the movie works and calls him one of the most promising filmmakers around.

About 16 min
K. Austin CollinsLoved it

ATV training montage

Cam says he absolutely loves the ATV sequence and the pre-fight warmup in the locker room.

About 32 min
Bill SimmonsLoved it

One-shot two-round fight

Bill argues the one-shot boxing scene is the best boxing scene he's ever seen.

About 32 min
Wesley MorrisLiked it

Felicia Rashad watching the fight

Wesley prefers Felicia Rashad's reaction during the fight because he dislikes sports-movie cutaways to bystanders.

About 48 min
Sean FennesseyLiked it

Michael B. Jordan

Sean sees Jordan as a hungry, intense actor who benefits from working with seasoned co-stars and strong directors.

About 1:04
Wesley MorrisDid not like it

Good Time

Wesley says he doesn't buy the Safdie brothers and rejects Good Time as fraudulent.

About 40 min
Bill SimmonsLiked it

Rocky franchise

Bill treats Creed as a welcome revival after the franchise's low points and as proof Coogler could modernize it.

About 8 min
Sean FennesseyLiked it

Black filmmaking power in Hollywood

Sean argues Coogler's moment represents an unusually powerful and exciting position for a black filmmaker.

About 1:12
5 ThemesThe larger ideas in the discussion

Legacy and inheritance

Creed is framed as a story about passing the Rocky/Apollo myth forward while honoring the old franchise without being trapped by it.

About 8 min

Mentorship and surrogate fatherhood

Rocky and Adonis' bond is treated as emotional core material, and several hosts describe it as unusually romantic and moving.

About 16 min

Black masculinity and black boxing stories

The discussion expands into the scarcity of black-led boxing movies and the politics of how black stories get framed in Hollywood.

About 56 min

Young directors and Hollywood opportunity

Coogler's rise is used as a case study in how a young filmmaker can move from a small personal film to a large studio franchise while retaining voice.

About 24 min

Performance intensity

Michael B. Jordan is described as hungry, intense, and still finding layers, while Stallone provides calm gravitas.

About 1:04
24 Facts and referencesProduction notes and other movies mentioned

Production note

Ryan Coogler had made only one feature before Creed and was about 28 at the time.

About 8 min

Production note

Creed was the first Rocky film not written by Sylvester Stallone.

About 8 min

Production note

Sly requested that Michael B. Jordan wear the flag trunks from the earlier Rocky films.

About 1:12

Production note

Jordan says he had to really take a real punch for the filmed fight.

About 1:20

Production note

Stallone won a Golden Globe for Creed and gave a speech some hosts disliked.

About 1:12

Production note

Stallone lost the Oscar to Mark Rylance for Bridge of Spies.

About 1:12

Production note

Adrian's restaurant scenes were filmed at the Victor Cafe in Philadelphia.

About 1:12

Production note

Michael B. Jordan gained 24 pounds of muscle for the movie.

About 1:12

Disputed in the episode

The hosts speculate that the film's timeline implies Adonis was born years after Apollo's death and puzzle over the math.

About 1:12

Rocky V

Cited as the film that supposedly killed the Rocky franchise.

About 8 min

Rocky Balboa

Used as context for the franchise's earlier attempt at revival and for Rocky's later status in Creed.

About 8 min

Black Panther

Used to frame Coogler's rise and Jordan's future, and to compare visual motifs.

Opening minutes

The Wire

Referenced as Michael B. Jordan's early breakout as Wallace.

About 56 min

Friday Night Lights

Cited as a key stage in Jordan's career with Vince Howard.

About 56 min

Fruitvale Station

Used to explain Coogler and Jordan's rise before Creed.

About 24 min

The Wrestler

Mentioned as a visual reference point for Creed's boxing cinematography.

About 32 min

Raging Bull

Named as one of the many boxing movies that Creed has to compete with and learn from.

About 56 min

The Hurricane

Cited as one of the few black-led boxing films they can name.

About 56 min

Undisputed

Referenced in a list of black boxing movies and prison-fight films.

About 56 min

The Great White Hype

Used as another boxing-movie comparison in a broader genre discussion.

About 56 min

Secretariat

Sean compares its race-cutaway editing to the way Creed handles fight reactions.

About 48 min

Enemy of the State

Referenced when talking about Lisa Bonet and unnecessary character deaths.

About 48 min

Good Time

Used as the specific Safdie film Wesley rejects.

About 40 min

Bridge of Spies

Mentioned only because Mark Rylance beat Stallone for the Oscar.

About 1:12
11 Running jokes and short linesRecurring bits captured from the conversation

Philly accent jokes

They repeatedly mock and riff on Tessa Thompson's Philly accent and the pronunciation of 'John.'

About 8 min

Chris Ryan absence bit

The hosts keep teasing absent colleague Chris Ryan, especially after the Eagles beat the Patriots.

About 8 min

Stallone career deep-dive

A long running bit turns into an extended Stallone filmography and masculinity lecture.

About 8 min

'The Safdies are frauds'

Wesley's blunt anti-Safdie take becomes a major comic detour.

About 40 min

PTI alternate universe

The hosts relish the fake PTI segment about Apollo Creed's offscreen legacy.

About 48 min

The Remomables

Bill jokes that his mom's takes deserve their own podcast.

About 16 min

Bill Simmons

“It was one of the worst days of my life.”
Opening minutes

Sean Fennessey

“He's a total frauds.”
About 40 min

Bill Simmons

“You are Apollo Creed's son, right? So then fight.”
Opening minutes

Wesley Morris

“This is a John. It's a noun.”
About 40 min

Bill Simmons

“I got an Expendables.”
Opening minutes

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