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THE REWATCHABLES · November 22, 2022

Body Heat

A 1981 noir / drama / erotic directed by Lawrence Kasdan, covered in the complete Rewatchables archive.

NoirDramaErotic1980sDirected by Lawrence Kasdan
Overall episode#283Source sheet order
Movie year19811980s
Tomatometer96%Critics’ score
Metacritic77View score
Roger Ebert4/4Original star rating
DirectorLawrence KasdanNoir / Drama / Erotic

FROM THE CONVERSATION

What they said about the movie

The episode argues that Body Heat is the prototype modern erotic thriller: a sweaty, noir-inflected movie where sex, danger, and deception are inseparable. The hosts praise Kathleen Turner’s star-making presence, William Hurt’s magnetic but flawed performance, and Lawrence Kasdan’s ability to modernize classic noir DNA. They also spend a lot of time on the movie’s heat, dialogue, and plot holes.
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WHY IT WORKS

What made it rewatchable

  1. 01It is treated as the first modern erotic thriller, with a clear noir lineage and extremely effective sexual tension. Opening minutes
  2. 02Kathleen Turner and William Hurt’s chemistry feels physically immediate and constantly charged. Opening minutes
  3. 03The movie’s dialogue is sharp and memorable, especially the flirtation scenes and double-entendre exchanges. About 48 min
  4. 04The heat, sweat, fire imagery, and coastal setting create a strong atmosphere that still works. About 1:20
  5. 05The supporting pieces, like Mickey Rourke’s scenes, the yearbook reveal, and the boathouse sequence, are especially fun to revisit. About 1:28

WHAT DID NOT WORK

Their main criticisms

  1. moderateThe plot has major logic holes, especially around the murder, the boathouse explosion, and the identity switch. About 1:52
  2. minorThe film’s child character feels like an obvious destabilizing device and a slightly annoying performance. About 8 min · medium confidence
  3. minorTed Danson’s pre-Cheers persona feels dated in the movie’s otherwise timeless vibe. About 32 min
  4. moderateSome of the final procedural details, like dumping the body and setting up the fire, feel rushed and underexplained. About 1:52

SCENES THEY KEPT COMING BACK TO

Standout moments

Favorite

First flirtation / meet-cute

The initial flirtation between Ned and Maddie is treated as the film’s sexiest and most quoted sequence.

About 48 min
Favorite

Bar temperature scene

Maddie’s ‘my temperature runs high’ line is praised as a perfect double-entendre setup.

About 56 min
Favorite

Break-in / window and chair sequence

The scene where Ned breaks in and Maddie watches him is singled out as highly erotic and tense.

About 8 min
Favorite

Mickey Rourke first scene

Oscar’s entrance and the Bob Seger needle drop are praised as a fun scene-stealer moment.

About 1:12
positive

Lawyer/will assessment scene

The office scene with the will and the lawyer reactions is praised as a strong suspense set piece.

About 1:12
positive

Hotel bar / public dinner awkwardness

The scenes where Maddie and Ned must behave like strangers are praised for tension and comic discomfort.

About 1:52
mixed

Boathouse explosion

The setup is admired, but the mechanics of the explosion and body disposal raise questions.

About 1:52
positive

Ending beach getaway reveal

The final reveal of Maddie in a tropical escape is called a stylish noir ending shot.

About 1:52

WHERE THEY DISAGREED

The biggest debates

They partly agreed Opening minutes

Which erotic thrillers belong on the Mount Rushmore

Bill Simmons

Body Heat, Fatal Attraction, Basic Instinct, and maybe Unfaithful or a weird wild-card pick.

Wesley Morris

The first three are mandatory; the fourth depends on taste and may not be necessary.

They partly agreed Opening minutes

Whether Body Heat invented the Lifetime-movie template

Bill Simmons

He jokes that the movie could be the prototype for Lifetime-style melodrama.

Wesley Morris

He argues for a broader lineage, including older noir and TV movie DNA.

They agreed About 24 min

How derivative the movie is

Bill Simmons

Derivative but in a good, intentional way that modernizes classic noir.

Wesley Morris

Its homage is part of the brilliance, not a flaw.

They partly agreed About 1:52

Who is the better recast for a modern version

Bill Simmons

Sydney Sweeney would be the obvious choice for Maddie.

Wesley Morris

He suggests Lupita Nyong'o for the role, then settles into the idea that the role demands a very specific star type.

10 People discussedActors, directors, writers, and producers
10 Conversation takesSpeakers shown only where the transcript identifies them
Bill SimmonsLoved it

Body Heat as erotic-thriller prototype

Bill argues it belongs on any erotic-thriller Mount Rushmore and helped define the genre.

Opening minutes
Wesley MorrisLoved it

Body Heat’s sex scenes

Wesley says the movie has the exact kind of irresistible, destructive sexuality the genre needs.

Opening minutes
Bill SimmonsMixed

Ned Racine

Bill likes the role but keeps emphasizing that Ned is dumb, horny, and easy to manipulate.

About 8 min
Wesley MorrisLoved it

Kathleen Turner

Wesley treats Turner as a rare kind of star who can credibly make men risk everything.

About 16 min
Bill SimmonsLoved it

William Hurt

Bill praises Hurt’s improbable magnetism and his run of morally fraught performances.

About 24 min
Wesley MorrisLoved it

Kasdan’s screenplay

Wesley praises the screenplay for hiding the con while letting the audience think Ned is in charge.

About 1:52
Bill SimmonsLoved it

Mickey Rourke’s entrance

Bill highlights Rourke’s scenes as major rewatchable moments and scene-stealing highlights.

About 1:12
Wesley MorrisLoved it

Lawrence Kasdan

Wesley says Kasdan’s start as writer/director is one of the great runs in movie history.

About 32 min
Bill SimmonsMixed

the boathouse explosion

Bill likes the setup but thinks the aftermath could have been more fun and clearer.

About 1:52
Wesley MorrisLoved it

The Big Chill

Wesley calls The Big Chill one of his all-time favorite movies and a perfect Bill Hurt/Lawrence Kasdan pairing.

About 40 min
5 ThemesThe larger ideas in the discussion

Erotic thriller as genre blueprint

The hosts treat the film as the template for later erotic thrillers and TV-movie melodrama.

Opening minutes

Sex as danger and compulsion

The movie’s sexuality is described as irresistible, destructive, and tied to violence.

Opening minutes

Neo-noir modernized for the 1980s

They emphasize how Body Heat updates 1940s/50s noir DNA into a glossy, sweatier modern mode.

Opening minutes

Star-making performance

Kathleen Turner is discussed as a unique kind of femme fatale star presence who rarely appears in modern movies.

About 16 min

Deception and incompetence

The movie’s suspense depends on Ned being smart enough to scheme but too dumb to see he is being manipulated.

About 48 min
25 Facts and referencesProduction notes and other movies mentioned

Production note

Body Heat had a $9 million budget and made $24 million.

About 1:52

Production note

Roger Ebert gave the movie four stars.

About 1:52

Production note

Lawrence Kasdan’s screenwriting run included Empire Strikes Back and Raiders in back-to-back years.

About 32 min

Production note

Ted Danson’s role is described as pre-Cheers and close to a pre-fame period.

About 32 min

Production note

The final scene was filmed at Tunnels Beach in Kauai.

About 1:52

Production note

Christopher Reeve was offered the William Hurt role and turned it down.

About 1:52

Production note

Ted Danson reportedly said William Hurt grabbed him by the balls and asked, 'Do you trust me?'

About 1:52

Mentioned with uncertainty

The movie is said to have been cut from a racier original version.

About 8 min · medium confidence

Production note

There is a line in the film about the rule against perpetuities.

About 1:52

Disputed in the episode

They joke that the movie could support a sequel set in Hawaii.

About 1:52

Double Indemnity

Used as the classic noir comparison that Body Heat modernizes.

Opening minutes

Fatal Attraction

Cited as a key erotic thriller benchmark that helped define or end the genre’s peak.

Opening minutes

Basic Instinct

Named alongside Body Heat and Fatal Attraction as essential erotic thrillers.

Opening minutes

Unfaithful

Discussed as a possible fourth movie in the erotic-thriller top tier.

Opening minutes

American Gigolo

Used as a contrast case for sexless, clinical eroticism.

About 8 min

The Hot Spot

Referenced as another sweaty, sexy noir-descendant film.

About 16 min

Presumed Innocent

Mentioned as another Kasdan-adjacent or erotic-thriller-adjacent title with similar dynamics.

About 24 min

Boomerang

Referenced when discussing Robin Givens as another star with this kind of allure.

About 24 min · medium confidence

Mr. & Mrs. Smith

Used to describe Angelina Jolie’s later star power and sex appeal.

About 24 min

Match Point

Referenced as another story built around a dangerous, seductive female lead.

About 24 min

The Big Chill

Used both as a Bill Hurt/Kasdan companion piece and as one of the hosts’ favorite films.

About 40 min

Empire Strikes Back

Cited as part of Kasdan’s legendary writing run and his contribution to Star Wars darkness and sexiness.

About 32 min

Raiders of the Lost Ark

Mentioned as another cornerstone of Kasdan’s early screenwriting career.

About 32 min

Kiss of the Spider Woman

Referenced as part of William Hurt’s extraordinary early run.

About 32 min

Romancing the Stone

Used to explain Kathleen Turner’s leap from Body Heat to mainstream stardom.

About 24 min
11 Running jokes and short linesRecurring bits captured from the conversation

Naughty November / Noir month naming jokes

The hosts keep joking about the silly name for their November noir theme.

Opening minutes

Mallory Rubin sex-scene award

They repeatedly reference the podcast’s running award for whether a movie needed a better sex scene.

Opening minutes

Dick-led morality jokes

A repeated gag is that the characters are literally led around by desire, especially Ned’s impulses.

About 8 min

Arson/confucius joke

Mickey Rourke’s dialogue about crime becomes a recurring quote bit.

About 1:12

Richard Crenna attractiveness bit

Bill and Wesley repeatedly joke about finding Crenna attractive in a very specific, maybe questionable way.

About 1:52

Sydney Sweeney as modern Body Heat casting

Bill jokes that Sydney Sweeney is the obvious modern analog for Kathleen Turner’s role.

About 32 min

Speaker not identified

“My temperature runs a couple of degrees high”
Opening minutes

Bill Simmons

“You're not smart. I like that in a man.”
About 1:52

Bill Simmons

“Ned, someday your dick is gonna lead you”
About 1:12

Bill Simmons

“Maybe she'll try to fuck me to death.”
About 1:12

Wesley Morris

“It is drenched and dripping in sex”
About 8 min

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WHAT TO WATCH NEXT

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Three movies to watch before Body Heat, and three to watch next.

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