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THE REWATCHABLES · July 6, 2026

Ali

A 2001 sports / drama movie directed by Michael Mann—and decision no. 116 in the Hanks–Cruise tape.

SportsDrama2000sDirected by Michael Mann
Ali2001MOVIE
Podcast episode#459No. 470 overall
Movie year20012000s release
Tomatometer69%No. 79 of 128 tracked
Metacritic65View score
Roger Ebert2/4Original star rating
State of the raceCruise led by 155–56 · 5 ties

FROM THE CONVERSATION

What they said about the movie

The episode argues that Ali is a flawed but ambitious Michael Mann biopic that mostly succeeds as a portrait of Muhammad Ali’s defiance, charisma, political awakening, and cost of greatness. The hosts admire the opening stretch, the supporting performances, and the film’s willingness to dramatize Ali as a complicated person rather than a pure legend.
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WHY IT WORKS

What made it rewatchable

  1. 01The opening 20 minutes is treated as an elite Michael Mann sequence that sets the movie’s ambition and energy. About 8 min
  2. 02Will Smith’s physical performance, especially boxing, running, and stillness, is seen as highly rewatchable. About 32 min
  3. 03The Malcolm X material gives the film a second movie inside the movie and becomes a major rewatch hook. About 16 min
  4. 04The boxing scenes, especially Cleveland Williams, Liston, Frazier, and Foreman, are repeatedly singled out. About 56 min
  5. 05The supporting cast and character entrances, especially Bundini Brown and Howard Cosell, add texture and humor. About 1:12

WHAT DID NOT WORK

Their main criticisms

  1. majorThe film feels too compressed for its scope, skipping too much history across Ali’s career. Opening minutes
  2. moderateThe movie underplays Ali’s public joy, humor, and extroversion compared with the real figure. About 8 min
  3. moderateThe period look and digital aesthetic sometimes pull viewers out of the era. About 1:12
  4. moderateThe soundtrack/score is felt to be mismatched to the movie’s period and tone. About 1:12
  5. moderateThe movie can be confusing because it lacks dates and does not hold the viewer’s hand. About 24 min

SCENES THEY KEPT COMING BACK TO

Standout moments

Favorite

Apollo Theater opening with Sam Cooke

The film opens with a propulsive Apollo sequence mixing Ali’s rise, music, and period history.

About 8 min
Favorite

Malcolm X in Africa

Ali realizes he may be losing Malcolm’s friendship, and the scene lands as heartbreaking.

About 16 min
positive

Ali sees the cockpit crew on the flight to Africa

The film re-creates a documentary moment of Ali’s curiosity and pride.

About 8 min
mixed

Joe Frazier taunting and the Manila aftermath

The movie captures the cruelty of Ali’s rhetoric and the long emotional damage it caused.

About 16 min
Favorite

Liston fight and eye incident

The first Liston fight is praised as a great boxing sequence and the glove controversy is debated.

About 56 min
Favorite

Courtroom/war protest speech

Ali’s antiwar speech is singled out as one of Smith’s best moments in the film.

About 1:04
Favorite

Foreman-Frazier destruction on TV

The hosts admire the scene of Ali watching Foreman demolish Frazier as a chilling sports moment.

About 1:04
Favorite

Zaire running sequence

Ali’s run through Kinshasa is treated as Mann hand-holding the audience toward the climax.

About 24 min

WHERE THEY DISAGREED

The biggest debates

They partly agreed Opening minutes

Is Ali primarily a sports biopic, a political film, or a Michael Mann movie?

Bill Simmons

It works best as a Mann movie about defiance and self-determination.

Chris Ryan

It also resembles documentary structure and style.

Van Lathan

It is partly a Malcolm X movie and partly a character study.

They agreed About 24 min

Did the movie need dates and more connective tissue?

Bill Simmons

Yes, the lack of timestamps is a real miss.

Chris Ryan

Yes, the film can be confusing without them.

They partly agreed About 32 min

Did Will Smith capture Ali?

Bill Simmons

He gets the physicality and moments, but not the full voice or total transformation.

Van Lathan

The performance is strongest in silence and reaction.

Chris Ryan

He is a historical reenactment more than a total embodiment.

They agreed Opening minutes

Was the film too compressed for its scope?

Bill Simmons

Yes, it should have been either much shorter or much longer.

Chris Ryan

Yes, it covers too much ground without enough transitions.

No final agreement About 1:20

Which boxing/actor performance wins the movie?

Bill Simmons

Ultimately Michael Mann or Jamie Foxx may be the biggest winners.

Chris Ryan

The film is Mann’s visual achievement more than anything else.

Van Lathan

Will Smith’s performance is excellent but the film doesn’t make him the clear winner.

19 People discussedActors, directors, writers, and producers
very favorableMichael MannBill Simmons: Praised as one of the great directors, especially for the opening sequence and the film’s style. Opening minutes
very favorableMuhammad AliBill Simmons: Described as the most charismatic athlete ever, but also complicated, mean at times, and under constant pressure. About 8 min
favorableWill SmithBill Simmons: Praised for physical commitment and selective moments of acting, though his voice imitation is considered impossible to fully nail. About 32 min very favorableJamie FoxxBill Simmons: Called great as Bundini Brown and seen as an emerging star whose performance presaged his later Oscar win. About 40 min very favorableMario Van PeeblesBill Simmons: Celebrated for playing Malcolm X with precision and emotional power despite the shadow of Denzel’s earlier performance. About 16 min
favorableHoward CosellBill Simmons: Viewed as an important foil and a channel for the movie’s televised, culturally specific conversations. About 1:20
mixedDon KingBill Simmons: Seen as sleazy and dangerous, but Michael T. Williamson’s portrayal captures the energy well. About 32 min
mixedSonny ListonBill Simmons: Discussed as a bad man and a figure in one of the film’s great fights, though the lore around the fights is debated. About 56 min
mixedJoe FrazierBill Simmons: Presented as a victim of Ali’s cruelty and a tragic rival whose hurt helped shape Manila. About 16 min
favorableCharles BarkleyBill Simmons: Used as a real-life comparator for Ali’s curiosity and ability to connect with people. About 16 min
mixedRoger EbertBill Simmons: His review is quoted and debated; the hosts respect his writing but disagree with his expectation of celebration. About 56 min
favorableSam CookeChris Ryan: His music anchors the opening Apollo sequence and is treated as brilliant within the scene. Opening minutes
favorableMalcolm XBill Simmons: Serves as a major spiritual and political influence in the movie’s first half. About 8 min
neutralAngela DundeeBill Simmons: Discussed as a boxing-corner figure tied to glove and fight lore. About 1:04 · medium confidence
favorableJeffrey WrightBill Simmons: Praised as Howard Bingham, part of the strong ensemble around Ali. About 40 min
very favorableGiancarlo EspositoBill Simmons: Loved in a brief role as Ali’s father, with the hosts wanting a spinoff movie. About 40 min favorableJohn VoightBill Simmons: His Howard Cosell performance is praised and noted as Oscar-nominated. About 40 min favorableNona GayeBill Simmons: Mentioned admiringly for her beauty and presence as one of the film’s women. About 40 min favorableJada PinkettBill Simmons: Included among the strong female performances and the film’s romantic triangle material. About 40 min
12 Conversation takesSpeakers shown only where the transcript identifies them
Bill SimmonsLoved it

Ali

Says he loves the movie even though it is deeply flawed.

Opening minutes
Bill SimmonsLiked it

Ali

Thinks Mann chose the right core story: the title loss, regain, and political awakening.

Opening minutes
Chris RyanLoved it

Opening Apollo sequence

Treats the opening as one of the best things Mann ever made.

About 8 min
Bill SimmonsLoved it

Muhammad Ali

Speaks as a lifelong admirer who sees Ali as his favorite athlete ever.

About 16 min
Van LathanLoved it

Muhammad Ali

Argues the movie is about a real man more interesting than the myth.

About 24 min
Bill SimmonsLiked it

Ali’s character

Thinks Mann’s darker interpretation is a theory of Ali rather than a complete portrait.

About 24 min
Chris RyanMixed

Michael Mann’s period style

Admires the style but thinks the look and score can be slightly off for the period.

About 1:12
Bill SimmonsLiked it

Ali

Says the film is more effective as a character story than a literal recitation of events.

About 24 min
Van LathanLiked it

Will Smith

Feels the performance works best when Smith is physical or reactive rather than speaking in voice.

About 32 min
Bill SimmonsLoved it

Jamie Foxx

Thinks Foxx nearly steals the movie and anticipated his future rise.

About 40 min
Chris RyanLiked it

televised sports commentary

Misses announcers who try to capture poetry and atmosphere instead of purely calling the action.

About 1:20
Van LathanMixed

Ali

Enjoyed it but felt detached from the film’s emotional point of view.

About 1:20
5 ThemesThe larger ideas in the discussion

Defiance and self-determination

The hosts say Mann framed Ali as a man who defied political, cultural, and personal expectations.

About 24 min

The cost of greatness

They treat the movie as a biopic about what greatness cost Ali in relationships, money, and peace of mind.

About 40 min

Public myth versus private reality

The discussion emphasizes that the movie prefers the complicated real man over the legend people prefer to remember.

About 8 min

Black political awakening

The film is read as tracing Ali’s conversion, Malcolm X influence, and broader political education.

About 16 min

Celebrity, exploitation, and entourage

They argue Ali was perhaps the most exploited celebrity ever, surrounded by people taking from him while using his fame.

About 24 min
22 Facts and referencesProduction notes and other movies mentioned

Production note

Michael Mann later released a director’s cut in 2017 and said the original felt short on drama.

About 48 min

Production note

Will Smith was nominated for Best Actor but lost to Denzel Washington for Training Day.

About 48 min

Production note

John Voight was nominated for Howard Cosell and lost to Jim Broadbent for Iris.

About 48 min

Production note

The movie lost money, grossing about $87 million on a reported $110 million budget.

About 48 min

Production note

The script went through years of development and multiple writers before completion.

About 40 min

Production note

Ali’s film rights and approval were tied to Will Smith’s involvement.

About 48 min

Production note

Some fight scenes were designed so Smith would not be knocked out or visibly damaged.

About 1:04

When We Were Kings

Used as the benchmark sports documentary that shaped expectations for Ali.

Opening minutes

Hoop Dreams

Cited in comparison to When We Were Kings.

Opening minutes

The Insider

Repeatedly named as Ali’s closest Michael Mann companion piece.

About 8 min

Malcolm X

Referenced as the prior Spike Lee film and as a cultural/political frame for Ali.

About 16 min

Heat

Mentioned as one of Mann’s career peaks and a comparison for his opening sequences.

About 16 min

Last of the Mohicans

Listed among Mann’s peak run of films.

About 24 min

Collateral

Used as another benchmark for Mann’s style and one of the hosts’ favorite sequences.

About 56 min

Raging Bull

Discussed as the boxing-film benchmark for fight cinematography.

About 56 min

The Wire

Referenced in identifying a child actor in the opening material.

About 24 min · medium confidence

Wide World of Sports

Used to describe childhood memories of seeing Ali on television.

About 16 min

Fresh Prince of Bel-Air

Referenced as part of Will Smith’s career arc.

About 48 min

Any Given Sunday

Cited as the project that revealed Jamie Foxx’s acting ability.

About 40 min

Ray

Used as the film that later proved Jamie Foxx’s star power and acting range.

About 40 min

The Social Network

Mentioned indirectly via the idea that modern fame is more sanitized; not a major focus.

Opening minutes · low confidence

Bik Steel

Actually Blue Steel, used in a side conversation about Ron Silver and older genre films.

About 1:20
10 Running jokes and short linesRecurring bits captured from the conversation

William X

Bill repeatedly jokes about converting and becoming 'William X,' using it as a recurring bit about Ali, Nation of Islam, and Black identity.

About 24 min

The Champ is Here

The phrase becomes a joke/sample reference and a mock alternate title.

About 1:20

Beautiful women / 90s fine

Van opens a long riff on the film’s women and how beauty aesthetics have changed.

About 1:12

Cosell voice and old announcers

The hosts repeatedly mock and praise old-school announcer voices as a lost art.

About 1:20

Boxing/celebrity comparison game

The hosts repeatedly rank athletes, celebrities, and dominant performances across sports.

About 16 min

Bill Simmons

“we all love it anyway”
Opening minutes

Bill Simmons

“the opening 20 minutes ... a fucking Symphony”
About 8 min

Van Lathan

“You knew when we hooked up, baby”
About 1:12

Bill Simmons

“The Champ is Here!”
About 1:20

Chris Ryan

“the killer wouldn't die!”
About 1:20

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WHAT TO WATCH NEXT

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Bill Simmons headshotBill Simmons125 tracked appearances · 56 H / 64 C / 5 ties
Chris Ryan headshotChris Ryan77 tracked appearances · 36 H / 38 C / 3 ties
Van Lathan headshotVan Lathan36 tracked appearances · 11 H / 23 C / 2 ties

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