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THE REWATCHABLES · May 31, 2018

Training Day

A 2001 crime / thriller directed by Antoine Fuqua, covered in the complete Rewatchables archive.

CrimeThriller2000sDirected by Antoine Fuqua
Overall episode#33Source sheet order
Movie year20012000s
Tomatometer74%Critics’ score
Metacritic71View score
Roger Ebert3/4Original star rating
DirectorAntoine FuquaCrime / Thriller

FROM THE CONVERSATION

What they said about the movie

The episode argues that Training Day is a hugely rewatchable, performance-driven crime movie whose plot is held together by Denzel Washington and Ethan Hawke. The hosts focus on Denzel's all-time star power, the movie's LA authenticity, and the film's many memorable scenes, while also noting weak plotting, some miscast or dated supporting work, and Oscar snubs—especially Ethan Hawke's.
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WHY IT WORKS

What made it rewatchable

  1. 01Denzel Washington's performance is treated as the main reason the movie works and replays so well. Opening minutes
  2. 02The Denzel-Ethan Hawke two-hander creates a steady stream of tense scenes you can drop into at almost any point. About 48 min
  3. 03The diner confrontation and poker-table sequence are singled out as intensely rewatchable set pieces. About 32 min
  4. 04The movie feels distinctly and authentically Los Angeles, especially through its music and locations. About 32 min · medium confidence
  5. 05The film's propulsive pace and Fuqua's slick direction keep even the flimsy plot moving. About 48 min

WHAT DID NOT WORK

Their main criticisms

  1. moderateThe plot is described as flimsy and held together by the performances rather than the script logic. About 8 min
  2. moderateDr. Dre's acting is called bad and miscast. About 40 min
  3. minorThe opening domestic scene with Jake and his wife feels awkward and possibly added after the fact. About 40 min
  4. minorSome supporting-cast choices and subplots feel underdeveloped or unnecessary. About 48 min · medium confidence

SCENES THEY KEPT COMING BACK TO

Standout moments

Favorite

Opening diner confrontation

Alonzo introduces his manipulation of Hoyt with 'Tell me a story' and immediately establishes the power dynamic.

About 32 min
Favorite

PCP walk-and-talk / 'you like to get wet' scene

Alonzo pressures Jake into taking drugs and keeps control through intimidation and charisma.

About 16 min
Favorite

Scott Glenn robbery sequence

A violent street robbery with a vest, money, and double-cross energy that the hosts call incredible.

About 24 min
Favorite

Poker scene with the Latino gang

Jake is trapped at the table, confused about the game, and forced to navigate threatening men.

About 32 min
Favorite

Final Alonzo vs. Hoyt showdown

The climax pays off the whole movie's simmering tension between predator and rookie.

About 32 min
positive

Three wise men lunch scene

The corruption mythology expands through a story about the street-level code and the peanut butter anecdote.

About 1:12 · medium confidence
critical

Opening family scene with Jake and his wife

The domestic setup is seen as awkward and possibly added to explain Jake's home life.

About 40 min

WHERE THEY DISAGREED

The biggest debates

They partly agreed About 8 min

Denzel Washington vs. Tom Hanks in the 1990s

Bill Simmons

leans Denzel, arguing his performances are more interesting and often better to watch

Chris Ryan

leans Denzel and says he likes watching Denzel more

Sean Fennessey

leans Hanks on objective success, while still admiring Denzel

Shea Serrano

leans Denzel, comparing the debate to a Jay-Z vs. Nas split

No final agreement Opening minutes

Best Denzel Washington performance

Bill Simmons

Training Day is his best movie/performance

Chris Ryan

Deep agreement, though he acknowledges Malcolm X is a worthy rival

Sean Fennessey

Thinks Malcolm X may be the peak performance

Shea Serrano

Says Malcolm X is the acting peak but Training Day is the cultural peak

They partly agreed About 32 min

Best rewatchable scene

Bill Simmons

Leans between the diner, poker, and PCP scenes, later revisiting the PCP scene

Chris Ryan

Chooses the diner scene

Sean Fennessey

Chooses the poker-table scene

Shea Serrano

Chooses the poker-table scene

They partly agreed About 1:20 · medium confidence

How much of Alonzo's Vegas backstory should have been shown

Bill Simmons

Would have preferred a flashback or prequel material

Sean Fennessey

Thinks the references to offscreen crimes work like crime-novel worldbuilding

Shea Serrano

Says the unseen history helps the movie's mythology

They partly agreed About 8 min

Whether Denzel could play Cast Away's lead

Bill Simmons

Thinks Denzel could be compelling on the island but differently so

Chris Ryan

Would rather see Hanks in Cast Away

Shea Serrano

Says Denzel could do it, but Hanks better fits the vulnerability

11 People discussedActors, directors, writers, and producers
11 Conversation takesSpeakers shown only where the transcript identifies them
Bill SimmonsLoved it

Training Day

Calls it an incredibly rewatchable movie led by a transcendent Denzel performance.

Opening minutes
Chris RyanLoved it

Denzel Washington

Argues Denzel is nearly impossible to dislike and has unanimous approval.

Opening minutes
Sean FennesseyLiked it

Ethan Hawke

Emphasizes Hawke's importance as the straight man who holds the movie together early.

About 40 min
Bill SimmonsLiked it

Antoine Fuqua

Credits Fuqua for modern pacing and effective use of two-shots.

About 48 min
Chris RyanLoved it

Diner scene

Identifies the opening diner confrontation as the best scene because it announces Alonzo perfectly.

About 32 min
Bill SimmonsLoved it

Poker-table scene

Loves the Latino gang poker sequence as a tense, unforgettable stretch.

About 32 min
Bill SimmonsLoved it

PCP diner scene

Thinks the drug-forcing scene is one of the movie's most rewatchable and unsettling moments.

About 1:12
Shea SerranoLoved it

Training Day

Says this is his favorite Denzel movie and roots against Alonzo by the end.

About 1:04
Shea SerranoLoved it

Latino gang poker-table scene

Calls this the best scene in the movie and the most tense for him.

About 1:12
Shea SerranoLoved it

Denzel Washington

Describes Denzel as a uniquely dominant, magnetic movie star with no real equal.

About 1:04
Ethan HawkeLoved it

Denzel Washington

Describes Denzel as an alpha, room-filling presence and says he expected a lot from everyone on set.

About 1:04
5 ThemesThe larger ideas in the discussion

Denzel as the defining movie star

The episode builds a case that Washington combines charisma, danger, range, and dominance in a way few actors can match.

Opening minutes

Bad-guy charisma

They admire the way the movie makes a corrupt, violent character still magnetic and rootable.

About 8 min

LA crime authenticity

The film is discussed as an LA street movie grounded in real corruption, neighborhoods, and music.

About 32 min

Two-hander structure

A lot of the movie's power comes from the back-and-forth between the older predator and the younger rookie.

About 48 min

Oscar justice and snubs

The episode treats the film as an awards-season correction for Denzel and a missed opportunity for Hawke and Fuqua.

About 24 min
21 Facts and referencesProduction notes and other movies mentioned

Production note

The movie is tied to the Rampart scandal and the Raphael Perez case.

About 32 min

Production note

Fuqua had the gang actors given separate instructions so Hawke would seem confused at the poker table.

About 40 min

Mentioned with uncertainty

The word 'fuck' is guessed to appear 211 times.

About 40 min · medium confidence

Production note

The diner scene location is in Los Angeles and was also used in Seven.

About 40 min · medium confidence

Production note

Denzel's 'King Kong ain't got shit on me' line is described as an ad-lib.

About 1:20

Production note

Ethan Hawke says he had to audition and felt he had to jump through hoops to get the role.

About 1:04

The Social Network

Used as a joke about the previous week's podcast winning a fake Pulitzer.

Opening minutes

Heat

Used to explain rooting for a charismatic criminal despite his villainy.

About 8 min

Malcolm X

Central comparison point in the Denzel performance debate.

Opening minutes

Crimson Tide

Cited as an example of leading-man Denzel.

About 8 min

Man on Fire

Mentioned as 'toxic CD Denzel' alongside other hard-edged roles.

About 8 min

Flight

Referenced as a later Denzel performance that feels like he's inhabiting a real drunk.

About 8 min

Cast Away

Used in a hypothetical about whether Denzel could play Hanks's role.

About 8 min

Philadelphia

Discussed as an early Denzel role that has aged differently.

About 8 min

L.A. Confidential

Suggested as a good double feature because of corrupt LA cop themes.

About 1:20

Pulp Fiction

Brought up in a tangent about rewatching and famous diner/coffee-shop locations.

About 40 min · medium confidence

Seven

Named as another film that uses the same diner location for a key scene.

About 40 min · medium confidence

The Right Stuff

Used in the Scott Glenn digression as a marker of his earlier career prestige.

About 32 min

Silence of the Lambs

Referenced while discussing Scott Glenn as a recognizable 'that guy.'

About 32 min

Scarface

Cited as a signature Harris Yulin role.

About 32 min

King Kong

Referenced in the famous ad-lib line 'King Kong ain't got shit on me.'

About 1:20
12 Running jokes and short linesRecurring bits captured from the conversation

Denzel persona taxonomy

The hosts repeatedly sort Denzel into buckets like leading man, toxic Denzel, important Denzel, and everyman Denzel.

Opening minutes

Sports analogies for Jake Hoyt

Jake is compared to quarterbacks, slot receivers, safeties, and other football archetypes.

Opening minutes

'Tell me a story'

The diner line becomes a repeated shorthand for Alonzo's manipulation style.

About 32 min

'You like to get wet?'

A repeated callback to Alonzo's drug test/manipulation scene.

Opening minutes

Danny Trejo in everything

A recurring joke asks why Trejo is not in any movie with Mexican gangsters.

About 40 min

Scott Glenn scouting high school football

They turn Roger into a bizarre obsessive local talent scout with uncanny football knowledge.

About 32 min

Oscar travesty bracket

The episode creates a running category for major awards injustices, especially Hawke losing supporting actor.

About 24 min

Bill Simmons

“King Kong ain't got shit on me”
About 1:20

Bill Simmons

“Tell me a story, Hoyt”
About 32 min

Bill Simmons

“You like to get wet?”
Opening minutes

Bill Simmons

“Man the fuck up”
About 1:20

Bill Simmons

“It's the shit's chess, it ain't checkers”
About 1:20

MAKE IT A MOVIE NIGHT

Where to watch

UNITED STATES

Checking where Training Day is available…

WHAT TO WATCH NEXT

Movies to watch before and after.

Three movies to watch before Training Day, and three to watch next.

Finding six movies…Three to watch first and three to watch next.
Includes a Rewatchables episodePosters from TMDB.

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