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THE REWATCHABLES · October 3, 2023

Toy Soldiers

A 1991 action / adventure directed by Daniel Petrie, covered in the complete Rewatchables archive.

ActionAdventure1990sDirected by Daniel Petrie
Overall episode#327Source sheet order
Movie year19911990s
Tomatometer44%Critics’ score
Metacritic46View score
Roger Ebert1/4Original star rating
DirectorDaniel PetrieAction / Adventure

FROM THE CONVERSATION

What they said about the movie

The hosts treat Toy Soldiers as a highly rewatchable, gloriously overstuffed early-90s action movie: a boarding-school Die Hard with Dead Poets Society, Red Dawn, mafia, cartel, and R-rated teen antics all piled in. They admire Sean Astin, the boarding-school setting, the mouthwash basement party, and the movie’s commitment to weird, comic-intense escalation, while also mocking its absurd accents, implausible plotting, and dated gender dynamics.
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WHY IT WORKS

What made it rewatchable

  1. 01It combines multiple beloved templates—Die Hard, Dead Poets Society, and Red Dawn—into one confined-location thriller. Opening minutes
  2. 02Sean Astin gives a surprisingly strong leading-man performance. Opening minutes
  3. 03The boarding-school setting creates a fun, enclosed world with a strong hang-out vibe. Opening minutes
  4. 04The movie has a big, memorable basement party centered on illicit mouthwash liquor. About 24 min
  5. 05The ensemble of villains and side characters keeps escalating into absurdity, including mafia and military elements. About 8 min

WHAT DID NOT WORK

Their main criticisms

  1. majorWil Wheaton’s accent and performance as Joey Trotta are wildly inconsistent and distracting. Opening minutes
  2. moderateThe main villain is not intimidating enough in his dialogue scenes. About 8 min
  3. majorThe movie’s gender representation is extremely thin and dated. About 56 min
  4. moderateSome plot mechanics are hard to understand, especially the chip-swap and Morse-code logic. About 48 min
  5. moderateThe kids’ reactions to being held hostage are not realistic by modern standards. About 56 min

SCENES THEY KEPT COMING BACK TO

Standout moments

Favorite

Mouthwash basement party

The boys mix fake mouthwash liquor, smoke, and trade dirty banter in a memorable prep-school party scene.

About 24 min
Favorite

First hostage roll call

The villain lines up the boys, interrogates them about their parents, and establishes the hostage dynamic.

About 24 min
Favorite

Billy’s escape attempt

Billy sneaks out, grabs a gun, misses his shot, and has to scramble back inside.

About 32 min
mixed

Joey Trotta’s failed assault

Wheaton’s character tries a sudden heroic run at the terrorists but is shot down almost immediately.

About 32 min
positive

Billy returns through the vents

He crawls through the ceiling/air-shaft system to alter the computer chips and continue the rescue plan.

About 40 min
Favorite

Lou Gossett answers the phone sex line

The headmaster overhears a phone-sex call and realizes the phone line is compromised.

About 24 min
Favorite

Judge thrown from helicopter

The film’s late reveal of a judge being dropped from a helicopter is treated as absurdly great.

About 48 min
positive

Final model-plane ending

The toy airplane climax and the reunion hug provide a satisfying, brisk ending.

About 1:04

WHERE THEY DISAGREED

The biggest debates

They partly agreed About 16 min

Who is the best action-movie villain in the hosts’ ranking

Bill Simmons

Ranks several villains and ultimately places Toy Soldiers villain below the elite group.

Kyle Brandt

Also ranks the Toy Soldiers villain low, but not as low as some of the others; prefers a more structured Gruber-style villain.

They agreed About 8 min

How scary the villain really is

Bill Simmons

Thinks the villain has moments but is not fully effective.

Kyle Brandt

Says the villain fails the key intimidation chapter and should be scarier.

They agreed Opening minutes

Whether Will Wheaton’s Joey Trotta is miscast

Bill Simmons

Says the casting is odd and the accent is a problem.

Kyle Brandt

Agrees the accent is bad and the role is weird, though memorable.

They agreed About 56 min

Whether the movie’s students react realistically to danger

Bill Simmons

Feels modern audiences would react differently to the hostage situation.

Kyle Brandt

Says the kids are too relaxed and playful for a violent takeover.

They agreed About 32 min

How much of a payoff Billy’s escape attempt should have had

Bill Simmons

Wanted a slightly longer, more successful escape run.

Kyle Brandt

Agrees the sequence needed a little more hope and momentum.

19 People discussedActors, directors, writers, and producers
very favorableSean AstinBill Simmons: Praised as the movie’s leading man and compared to Bruce Willis; both hosts say he is excellent and arguably underrated. Opening minutes mixedWil WheatonBill Simmons: His performance is mocked for the accent and earring, but the hosts still admire his commitment and find him memorable. Opening minutes
very favorableLou Gossett Jr.Bill Simmons: Celebrated as a cool, unusually relaxed authority figure who makes the boarding-school world work. About 8 min
favorableJerry OrbachBill Simmons: His surprise mafia-role cameo is treated as a fun escalation and a sign the movie keeps adding layers. Opening minutes criticalRoger EbertBill Simmons: His one-star review is rejected by the hosts, who think he missed the movie’s appeal. About 24 min favorableArlie ErmeyBill Simmons: Referenced as an unrealized source of harsher military energy the movie could have used. About 16 min favorableTommy Lee JonesBill Simmons: Used as a benchmark for strong early-90s villain work. About 16 min favorableDennis HopperBill Simmons: Mentioned in comparison with other early-90s action villains, especially for Speed. About 16 min favorableWillem DafoeBill Simmons: Cited as a memorable Speed 2 villain in the hosts’ broader villain ranking talk. About 16 min favorableJohn LithgowBill Simmons: Included in the villain rankings as another high-end action-movie antagonist. About 16 min very favorableGary OldmanBill Simmons: Held up as one of the closest comparisons to the ideal action villain. About 16 min favorableAlec BaldwinBill Simmons: Referenced via The Hunt for Red October and as part of the broader action-villain discussion. About 16 min · medium confidenceneutralBenicio del ToroBill Simmons: Mentioned in a casting fantasy for a better version of the villain role. About 1:36 · medium confidencefavorableJohn LeguizamoBill Simmons: Suggested as a much better choice for the villain role. About 1:36 favorableAndy GarciaBill Simmons: Suggested as a more convincing casting choice for the villain role. About 1:36 favorableStephen BauerBill Simmons: Considered as a possible villain casting option, with Scarface noted as close territory. About 1:36 mixedDenholm ElliottBill Simmons: His presence is seen as odd and almost unnecessary, though still part of the movie’s charm. About 48 min neutralCorey FeldmanBill Simmons: Mentioned as an alternate casting possibility for Billy, though the hosts doubt it would work well. About 1:36
favorableBrandon LeeBill Simmons: Referenced only as part of a comparison to another youth-action-casting idea. About 1:36 · low confidence
14 Conversation takesSpeakers shown only where the transcript identifies them
Bill SimmonsLoved it

Toy Soldiers as a whole

Treats the movie as an unexpectedly great, rewatchable mashup of genres and eras.

Opening minutes
Kyle BrandtLoved it

Toy Soldiers as a whole

Argues the movie works because it packs in lots of classic R-rated movie pleasures and escalating action.

Opening minutes
Bill SimmonsLoved it

Sean Astin

Believes Astin is a legitimate leading man here and maybe underrated overall.

Opening minutes
Kyle BrandtLoved it

Sean Astin

Sees Astin as the movie’s key ingredient and is amazed he had not yet been featured on the podcast.

Opening minutes
Bill SimmonsMixed

Wil Wheaton

Finds the performance memorable but questions the accent and overall fit for the role.

Opening minutes
Kyle BrandtMixed

Wil Wheaton

Likes the commitment and the look, but agrees the accent is a major problem.

Opening minutes
Bill SimmonsLoved it

Lou Gossett Jr.

Praises Gossett as a cool, generous headmaster who makes the school seem worth attending.

Opening minutes
Kyle BrandtLoved it

Lou Gossett Jr.

Calls him one of the coolest educators ever put on screen.

About 1:20
Bill SimmonsLoved it

Mouthwash basement party

Loves the illicit basement party and the joke of turning mouthwash into booze.

About 24 min
Kyle BrandtLoved it

Mouthwash basement party

Thinks the basement party is a perfect boarding-school hang and one of the movie’s best sequences.

About 24 min
Bill SimmonsLoved it

Billy escaping

Thinks Billy’s escape attempt delivers real suspense and authentic failure when he can’t quite pull the trigger.

About 32 min
Kyle BrandtLoved it

Billy escaping

Likes the escape mechanics and the tension of the exterior run.

About 32 min
Bill SimmonsMixed

Villain Louis Cali

Thinks the villain is fun and escalating but not as intimidating as he should be.

About 8 min · medium confidence
Kyle BrandtLoved it

Roll-call intimidation scene

Likes the scene because it reveals the students’ parents and sets up the gang dynamics.

About 24 min
5 ThemesThe larger ideas in the discussion

Boarding-school fantasy

The hosts love boarding-school settings because they feel enclosed, social, and mischievous, and Toy Soldiers lets that world turn into an action movie.

Opening minutes

Die Hard formula transplanted elsewhere

They repeatedly frame the film as a location-specific Die Hard variant, with chapters of entrance, intimidation, escalation, and final confrontation.

About 8 min

Teen rebellion and privilege

The movie’s privileged kids resent their dads while the villain is motivated by family loyalty, creating an ironic moral contrast.

About 8 min

80s/90s action-movie style

The episode lingers on hair, accents, bodies, wardrobe, and exaggerated villain behavior as markers of the era.

About 56 min

Rewatchable absurdity

The hosts argue the movie works because it is unintentionally funny, highly specific, and constantly escalating.

Opening minutes
25 Facts and referencesProduction notes and other movies mentioned

Production note

The movie is based on a 1988 novel by William P. Kennedy.

About 24 min

Production note

Roger Ebert gave the film one star.

About 24 min

Production note

The film reportedly made about $15 million on a $10 million budget.

About 24 min

Production note

The school setting is supposed to be in Virginia, though the real school is in Manhattan.

About 1:36

Production note

The helicopter scenes were filmed in San Antonio.

About 1:36

Production note

The character Yogurt got his name from an incident in a van with spilled yogurt.

About 1:36

Production note

Kyle says the villain-scale ranking is based on a 'Gruber formula' with four chapters.

About 8 min

Production note

Keith Coogan and Sean Astin knew each other because their fathers were both in the business.

About 1:36

Production note

Kyle says the movie’s score is strong even without much or any pop music.

About 48 min

Production note

The hosts joke that quicksand was a huge childhood fear but almost never appears in real life.

About 1:04

Die Hard

Used as the core structural template for the film’s premise and villain beats.

Opening minutes

Dead Poets Society

Referenced as part of the boarding-school hybrid formula.

Opening minutes

Red Dawn

Used to describe the military/hostile-invasion flavor of the story.

Opening minutes

Goonies

Referenced as a Sean Astin touchstone and as a potential double feature.

Opening minutes

Rudy

Used to describe Astin’s image and to imagine a different version of Billy Tepper.

Opening minutes

Stand By Me

Mentioned as another Wil Wheaton kid-performance reference and a prior Rewatchables episode.

Opening minutes

Breakfast Club

Used to characterize how Wil Wheaton looks and to describe the school-movie vibe.

Opening minutes

School Ties

Referenced as another boarding-school movie for comparison.

Opening minutes

Scent of a Woman

Listed as another boarding-school or prep-school adjacent film.

Opening minutes

The Godfather

Referenced in the story about Wheaton studying gangster movies and constructing his accent.

Opening minutes

Scarface

Referenced as part of the villain’s mob-inspired influences and helicopter throw comparison.

About 16 min

The Fugitive

Mentioned when discussing Andrew Davis and Tommy Lee Jones’s career run.

About 16 min

Passenger 57

Used in the villain-ranking comparison and for Tom Sizemore’s support of the hero.

About 16 min

Under Siege

Referenced in the villain-ranking discussion and in an Andrew Davis connection.

About 16 min

Air Force One

Used as an example of a terrifying action villain in the ranking discussion.

About 16 min
12 Running jokes and short linesRecurring bits captured from the conversation

Mouthwash as dorm liquor

They repeatedly riff on the fake mouthwash recipe and the idea of selling booze disguised as hygiene products.

About 24 min

Gruber-style villain chapters

Kyle keeps breaking action villains into four phases, using Toy Soldiers to score the antagonist.

About 8 min

Powers Boothe / villain ranking debate

Bill and Kyle revisit their prior villain-scale rankings and compare Toy Soldiers’ bad guy to other action antagonists.

About 16 min

Sean Astin hair and physique talk

They joke about Astin’s rugged hair, chest hair, and tank-top action-hero look.

Opening minutes

Quicksand and lost childhood warnings

A tangent about childhood safety myths leads to a joke that quicksand never really existed.

About 1:04

Phone sex nostalgia

They reflect on 900-number phone sex as an old-school, pre-internet curiosity and group experience.

About 1:04

Body-count / violence bookkeeping

The hosts tally kills and compare the movie’s violence to more brutal action films.

About 1:04 · medium confidence

Kyle Brandt

“Dead Poets Society meets Die Hard”
Opening minutes

Bill Simmons

“The worst one we've done yet.”
Opening minutes

Kyle Brandt

“I'm flying with eagles, baby.”
Opening minutes

Bill Simmons

“This movie rules.”
About 8 min

Kyle Brandt

“Don't try a New York Italian accent”
About 1:36

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