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THE REWATCHABLES · September 28, 2017

Titanic

A 1997 romance / drama directed by James Cameron, covered in the complete Rewatchables archive.

RomanceDrama1990sDirected by James Cameron
Overall episode#13Source sheet order
Movie year19971990s
Tomatometer88%Critics’ score
Metacritic75View score
Roger Ebert4/4Original star rating
DirectorJames CameronRomance / Drama

FROM THE CONVERSATION

What they said about the movie

A very enthusiastic rewatchables conversation arguing that Titanic is a huge, surprisingly rewatchable blockbuster driven by Leo/Kate chemistry, James Horner's score, and the emotional force of the romance even as the hosts mock some dated dialogue, effects, and James Cameron's reputation.
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WHY IT WORKS

What made it rewatchable

  1. 01Leo and Kate's chemistry makes the romance deeply engaging and easy to revisit. About 48 min
  2. 02Memorable set-pieces like "I'm the king of the world" remain iconic and fun. About 48 min
  3. 03James Horner's score and the Celine Dion song give the film huge emotional lift. About 24 min
  4. 04The dinner and steerage-party sequences are funny, charming, and quote-heavy. About 32 min
  5. 05The film's mix of romance, disaster, and spectacle makes it feel larger than its runtime. Opening minutes

WHAT DID NOT WORK

Their main criticisms

  1. minorThe last hour becomes less interesting for one host once the sinking begins. Opening minutes
  2. moderateSome dialogue is laughable and the script feels mechanically obvious. About 24 min
  3. moderateThe CGI sky and some technical effects look dated and fake. About 24 min
  4. moderateJames Cameron is portrayed as difficult and unpleasant on set. About 16 min
  5. minorRose's line calling the Titanic a slave ship is singled out as especially badly aged. About 24 min

SCENES THEY KEPT COMING BACK TO

Standout moments

Favorite

King of the World bow scene

Jack's triumphant bow-stance line is treated as the film's most iconic and quintessential moment.

About 48 min
Favorite

Dinner with the elite

Jack navigates first-class etiquette, rejects caviar, and gets coached on silverware.

About 32 min
Favorite

Steerage dance party

Rose escapes into the lively steerage dance sequence and drinks beer with Jack.

About 32 min
positive

Drawing scene

Jack drawing Rose naked is discussed as a key romantic beat and the first scene the leads filmed together.

About 40 min
positive

Raising the Celine-class tension at the lifeboat/handcuff rescue

The axe-hacking rescue is described as tense, funny, and stressful despite the audience knowing the outcome.

About 40 min
Favorite

Nearer, My God, to Thee string quartet

The sinking-era music cue is singled out as emotionally devastating and cathartic.

About 24 min

WHERE THEY DISAGREED

The biggest debates

They partly agreed About 16 min

Does Titanic still feel like a technical feat?

Amanda Dobbins

Yes, but some effects now look fake and the boat itself feels obviously artificial.

K. Austin Collins

The practical spectacle still works better than modern CGI, even if some shots are dated.

They partly agreed About 40 min

Was Jack's death necessary because of the board?

Amanda Dobbins

She leans toward the idea that the rules of a romance movie justify it but is not fully committed to the myth.

K. Austin Collins

He says the board question is not the movie's biggest problem and urges acceptance of Cameron's framing.

No final agreement About 56 min

Who wins the movie, Leo or Kate?

Amanda Dobbins

Leans toward Kate Winslet as the breakout performer and emotional center.

K. Austin Collins

Leans toward Leonardo DiCaprio because the role made him a star and anchors the romance.

15 People discussedActors, directors, writers, and producers
very favorableLeonardo DiCaprioAmanda Dobbins: Praised as extremely cute, smooth, and central to the movie's success; also discussed as a singular star whose career was transformed by Titanic. About 8 min very favorableKate WinsletAmanda Dobbins: Praised as adorable, great, and the emotional center of the film; her performance and career breakout are discussed at length. About 8 min mixedJames CameronAmanda Dobbins: Lauded as a visionary and technical showman, but also described as an asshole on set and someone whose reputation has aged poorly. About 16 min favorableBilly ZaneAmanda Dobbins: Praised for a strong villain performance as Cal, with one host calling it a tour de force and the best pure acting in the movie. About 8 min very favorableJames HornerK. Austin Collins: His score is described as beautiful, underrated, and emotionally rousing. About 24 min
very favorableCeline DionAmanda Dobbins: Her song is treated as a massive, iconic part of the film's cultural impact. About 48 min
favorableBill PaxtonAmanda Dobbins: Remembered warmly for his underwater explorer role and praised through an aside about Big Love. About 16 min favorableKathy BatesAmanda Dobbins: Praised as very good and funny, though some of her dialogue is mocked as awkward or absurd. About 32 min
neutralAnthony LaneAmanda Dobbins: Mentioned as an early high-profile critic who praised the film. About 8 min
neutralRobert De NiroAmanda Dobbins: Mentioned in a dubious casting-trivia anecdote about being offered the captain role. About 8 min · medium confidencefavorableChris O'DonnellAmanda Dobbins: Suggested as a plausible alternate Jack Dawson who might have fit the role's vibe. About 8 min neutralMatthew McConaugheyAmanda Dobbins: Named as a major reported contender for Jack Dawson. About 8 min favorableRob LoweAmanda Dobbins: Mentioned as another possible Cal and praised as a great asshole type. About 8 min neutralMinnie DriverAmanda Dobbins: Mentioned only in connection with the Matt Damon/Oprah anecdote. About 48 min
neutralSam WorthingtonAmanda Dobbins: Brought up only to contrast Avatar casting and facial visibility. About 48 min
8 Conversation takesSpeakers shown only where the transcript identifies them
Amanda DobbinsLoved it

Titanic

Says she really loves Titanic, calls it eminently rewatchable, and argues it is one of the greatest movies of the century.

Opening minutes
Amanda DobbinsMixed

the sinking section

Admits her interest drops once the boat starts sinking, even though she still loves the movie overall.

Opening minutes
Amanda DobbinsLoved it

Leonardo DiCaprio

Finds young Leo extremely attractive and central to the movie's appeal.

About 8 min
Amanda DobbinsLiked it

Billy Zane

Thinks Billy Zane is excellent and maybe the best pure actor in the movie.

About 16 min
Amanda DobbinsLoved it

I'm king of the world

Chooses the bow-of-the-ship moment as her most rewatchable scene.

About 48 min
Amanda DobbinsLoved it

dinner scene

Loves the dinner sequence where Jack is tested by elite manners and rejects caviar.

About 32 min
Amanda DobbinsLoved it

steerage dance

Loves the scene where Rose goes dancing in steerage and lets loose.

About 32 min
Amanda DobbinsDid not like it

James Cameron's reputation

Argues Cameron's reputation has aged badly even if his films once defined a visionary era.

About 16 min
5 ThemesThe larger ideas in the discussion

Monoculture and event movies

They place Titanic in the context of late-1990s monoculture, when a few movies dominated attention and repeat viewings were common.

About 8 min

Class and performance

The film uses corsets, table manners, and boarding-class contrast to dramatize status and repression.

About 32 min

Romance versus disaster

The movie's emotional engine is the love story, but it is constantly intensified by the sinking ship disaster.

About 48 min

Technical spectacle

The film is treated as a major technical achievement, even while some of the effects now look fake.

About 16 min

Fame and career trajectories

The film is discussed as a career-defining or career-altering event for Leo, Kate, James Cameron, Billy Zane, and Celine Dion.

About 16 min
23 Facts and referencesProduction notes and other movies mentioned

Production note

The film is discussed as having been widely predicted to fail during production and then greeted with very positive reviews.

About 8 min

Mentioned with uncertainty

The runtime is said to match the reported length of the Titanic's sinking.

About 24 min · medium confidence

Production note

The movie's first scene with Kate and Leo was the naked drawing scene.

About 40 min

Production note

Kate Winslet's spit at Billy Zane is described as improvised.

About 8 min

Production note

James Cameron's project reportedly began as a pitch to get a studio to fund underwater Titanic exploration.

About 16 min

Production note

The film's cultural peak included repeated theater viewings by young audiences, some seeing it 10 or more times.

About 8 min

Disputed in the episode

A questionable IMDb item claims Robert De Niro was offered Captain Smith but declined because of a gastrointestinal infection.

About 8 min

Production note

They mention that Kate Winslet's first post-Titanic impression came through Oscar-season media and Oprah specials.

About 48 min

Shakespeare in Love

Used to illustrate the late-1990s monoculture and Oscar-era movie conversation.

About 8 min

The Phantom

Cited as a weird Billy Zane film to show his career breadth.

About 8 min

Sense and Sensibility

Referenced as Kate Winslet's earlier film before Titanic.

About 8 min

The Holiday

Used to support a claim that Kate Winslet has physical-comedy potential.

About 40 min

Big Love

Referenced while praising Bill Paxton.

About 16 min

Avatar

Compared to Titanic as Cameron's later obsession and as a film whose CGI may age poorly.

About 16 min

The Notebook

Used as a modern romance comparison for the 'you jump, I jump' line.

About 40 min

Twister

Brought up as another beloved rewatchable disaster/transportation movie.

About 40 min

Gangs of New York

Discussed as a later Leo film with mixed opinions among the hosts.

About 40 min

Romeo + Juliet

Referenced as another Leo role and a production point in 1997.

About 8 min

Brooklyn

Used as a comparison for seasickness on ocean crossings.

About 40 min

Downton Abbey

Used as a comparison point for American heiresses and ship-era class dynamics.

About 16 min

Good Will Hunting

Referenced as part of the 1997 Oscar conversation and Matt Damon era.

About 48 min

Point Break

Mentioned in the outro as another Rewatchables episode topic.

About 48 min

Speed

Mentioned in the outro as another Rewatchables episode topic.

About 48 min
10 Running jokes and short linesRecurring bits captured from the conversation

Water and ship jokes

The hosts repeatedly riff on water, boats, and related puns throughout the episode.

Opening minutes

Half-assed Internet Research Corner

They present trivia and casting what-ifs with a knowingly casual, skeptical tone.

About 8 min

Monoculture nostalgia

They keep returning to the idea that Titanic was a shared late-90s cultural event.

About 8 min

Dreamy Leo top-five

The hosts improvise a list of Leo's most attractive moments in the film.

About 32 min

Meme culture / board joke

They discuss the 'Jack would have fit on the board' meme and other internet jokes about the film.

About 40 min

Amanda Dobbins

“I'm the king of the world!”
About 48 min

K. Austin Collins

“I'll never let go, Jack.”
About 48 min

Amanda Dobbins

“They called Titanic the ship of dreams.”
About 48 min

K. Austin Collins

“You jump, I jump.”
About 48 min

Amanda Dobbins

“Women and children. Women and children.”
About 48 min

MAKE IT A MOVIE NIGHT

Where to watch

UNITED STATES

Checking where Titanic is available…

WHAT TO WATCH NEXT

Movies to watch before and after.

Three movies to watch before Titanic, and three to watch next.

Finding six movies…Three to watch first and three to watch next.
Includes a Rewatchables episodePosters from TMDB.

ON THE MIC

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Juliet LitmanThe Rewatchables
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