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THE REWATCHABLES · September 15, 2025

Tin Cup

A 1996 romance / comedy / sports movie directed by Ron Shelton—and decision no. 73 in the Hanks–Cruise tape.

RomanceComedySports1990sDirected by Ron Shelton
Tin Cup1996MOVIE
Podcast episode#412No. 423 overall
Movie year19961990s release
Tomatometer73%No. 73 of 128 tracked
Metacritic60View score
Roger Ebert3/4Original star rating
State of the raceHanks led by 137–36 · 0 ties

FROM THE CONVERSATION

What they said about the movie

The panel argues that Tin Cup is a flawed but highly rewatchable golf movie whose bold non-happy ending makes it memorable. They praise its golf authenticity, CBS broadcast details, and mid-90s sports-movie vibe, while noting bloat, a messy romance, and several implausible golf moments.
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WHY IT WORKS

What made it rewatchable

  1. 01The final hour, especially the U.S. Open sequence, feels like a different and better movie. Opening minutes
  2. 02The movie’s willingness to reject a standard triumphant ending makes it stand out among sports films. Opening minutes
  3. 03The golf coverage and production details feel authentic, especially the CBS booth and tournament atmosphere. About 8 min
  4. 04The first lesson between Roy and Molly is a strong introduction to the characters and the film’s tone. About 56 min
  5. 05The movie has many quotable golf lines and concepts that stuck culturally. About 1:04

WHAT DID NOT WORK

Their main criticisms

  1. moderateThe movie is bloated and could be shorter. Opening minutes
  2. moderateThe Molly/David Sims/Roy love triangle is hard to buy. About 24 min
  3. majorThe final 18th-hole ball flight and green behavior are physically implausible. About 40 min
  4. moderateRomeo is a terrible caddy and too much of the plot hinges on his bad judgment. About 1:12
  5. minorThe movie should likely end earlier, after the 'Nice par, David' line. About 1:44

SCENES THEY KEPT COMING BACK TO

Standout moments

Favorite

Molly's first lesson

Roy explains his golf philosophy to Molly and the movie establishes their chemistry and tone.

About 56 min
positive

Roy caddies for Sims

The lay-up-versus-go-for-it dynamic, plus the betting and sports-machine coverage, gives the movie its golf-nerd flavor.

About 1:04
positive

Roy shoots 65 with one club

A fun golf fantasy sequence where Roy breaks all his clubs and still posts a great score with a 7-iron.

About 1:04
positive

The sex montage / 'This Could Take All Night'

The post-hookup montage is treated as a memorable, very 90s sequence with a strong soundtrack cue.

About 1:04
Favorite

Roy shoots a 62

The movie turns into a full tournament film and the hosts love the broadcast-style presentation and wide shots.

About 1:12
Favorite

The 18th-hole final shot

Roy refuses to lay up, repeatedly hits into the water, and the hosts debate whether the scene is absurdly perfect or absurdly stupid.

About 1:12

WHERE THEY DISAGREED

The biggest debates

They agreed Opening minutes

Whether the 18th-hole ending should have been a heroic win

Bill Simmons

Initially rejected the ending, then came to appreciate the radical non-win.

Joe House

Says the ending is the right choice for the movie and for golf.

Craig Horlbeck

Thinks the movie needed the zag and that a normal win would have been cliched.

They agreed About 1:12

Whether the final green behavior is physically possible

Bill Simmons

Questions the shot choice and wonders if another outcome would have worked better.

Joe House

Calls the ball flight and backspin implausible for a 3-wood.

Craig Horlbeck

Explains why the shot would not behave that way in real golf.

They partly agreed About 1:12

Whether Roy should have laid up on 18

Bill Simmons

Mocks the decision but later admires the radical commitment.

Joe House

Says a pro in that position would lay up, making Roy’s choice ridiculous.

Speaker not identified

Agrees the non-layup choice is what prevents the movie from becoming a cliché.

They agreed About 8 min

Who is the true golf-movie GOAT among actors

Bill Simmons

Argues Kevin Costner is clearly the best across sports movies.

Joe House

Agrees Costner is the top choice.

Craig Horlbeck

Allows the case but also raises other names like Sandler and Snipes.

16 People discussedActors, directors, writers, and producers
favorableKevin CostnerBill Simmons: Praised as the sport-movie GOAT and as believable in athletic roles, though one host says he is too pretty for the drifter persona. About 8 min favorableRon SheltonBill Simmons: Credited with making a golf movie that understands both the sport and its weirdness. Opening minutes favorableRene RussoBill Simmons: Praised for chemistry, comedy, and a strong 1990s film run. About 24 min favorableDon JohnsonBill Simmons: Viewed as likable and credible as the rival golfer, with a great look and a believable swing. About 24 min
very favorableJim NantzBill Simmons: Praised as crucial to the movie’s realism and as having a voice that is unchanged over time. About 1:04
favorableKen VenturiBill Simmons: Cited as part of the essential CBS golf-broadcast texture that grounds the movie. About 1:04
neutralPhil MickelsonBill Simmons: Mentioned as a very young cameo golfer and as an example of gambling interest on set. About 32 min
neutralCraig StadlerBill Simmons: Used as a memorable cameo and as part of the movie’s golf-nerd authenticity. About 32 min
mixedGary McCordBill Simmons: Valued as authentic and funny, but also seen as hammy and too much at times. About 16 min
favorableCheech MarinBill Simmons: Praised for scene energy, the drink-and-caddy persona, and a memorable monologue. About 1:44
neutralAlec BaldwinBill Simmons: Mentioned as a casting possibility for David Sims. About 1:52 favorableMichelle PfeifferBill Simmons: Discussed as a casting idea for Molly, though the hosts question whether she would fit the role. About 1:52 neutralDennis QuaidBill Simmons: Mentioned as another casting what-if for David Sims. About 1:52 neutralJohn LeguizamoBill Simmons: Referenced in a casting rumor for Romeo, though one host doubts it. About 1:52 favorableTom CruiseBill Simmons: Used as a dream casting idea for a more intense version of the movie. About 1:52 favorableTom HanksBill Simmons: Suggested as an alternate Roy McAvoy, especially the looser, drunk, sarcastic version of Hanks. About 1:52
12 Conversation takesSpeakers shown only where the transcript identifies them
Bill SimmonsLiked it

Tin Cup

Calls it a flawed but very good sports movie with a controversial ending and excellent golf texture.

Opening minutes
Joe HouseLoved it

Tin Cup

Says the movie is a love letter to golf and especially loves the long U.S. Open stretch.

About 8 min
Craig HorlbeckMixed

Tin Cup

Initially disliked it, then liked it much more on second viewing once he understood its goofy tone.

Opening minutes
Speaker not identifiedLiked it

Tin Cup

Enjoys the episode’s golf discussion and agrees the movie benefits from its unusual ending.

Opening minutes
Bill SimmonsLiked it

The 12 on 18

Argues that the disastrous final-hole sequence is the movie’s defining and most memorable choice.

Opening minutes
Joe HouseLiked it

Ron Shelton

Credits Shelton for sticking to the unpopular ending instead of giving Hollywood a conventional win.

Opening minutes
Bill SimmonsLoved it

Kevin Costner

Calls Costner the sports-movie GOAT and admires how believable he is across sports roles.

About 8 min
Joe HouseLiked it

Costner's golf swing

Feels the swing is credible and improves over the course of the movie, despite some early cutaround editing.

About 16 min
Craig HorlbeckLiked it

Don Johnson

Argues that Don Johnson’s swing was also strong and that the post-production tweaks may have hurt his natural style.

About 16 min
Bill SimmonsLoved it

Molly's first lesson

Considers the first lesson sequence one of the best scenes because it establishes Roy and Molly perfectly.

About 56 min
Joe HouseLoved it

The U.S. Open broadcast coverage

Feels the Nantz/Venturi/CBS presentation is a major reason the movie’s last hour works so well.

About 1:04
Bill SimmonsLiked it

Rene Russo

Uses her filmography as evidence she had one of the best 1990s runs among actresses.

About 24 min
5 ThemesThe larger ideas in the discussion

Golf as obsession and chaos

The hosts frame the film as a love letter to golf’s absurdity, frustration, and beauty rather than to prestige golf culture.

About 8 min

Mid-90s sports-movie evolution

They place Tin Cup in a wave of sports movies that became more romantic, broad, and date-friendly in the 1995-2004 period.

About 8 min

Authenticity versus Hollywood payoff

The discussion repeatedly contrasts real golf logic with the movie’s heightened, dramatic choices.

About 40 min

Class and accessibility in golf

They admire that the film focuses on public-course, blue-collar golf rather than elite country-club golf.

About 16 min

Masculinity and competitive ego

A recurring bit is that the film is full of men measuring themselves through bets, bravado, and refusal to lay up.

About 1:04
19 Facts and referencesProduction notes and other movies mentioned

Production note

The movie reportedly cost $45 million and made $75 million.

About 56 min

Production note

The title 'Tin Cup' is explained in the episode as coming from baseball, not golf.

About 1:52

Production note

Gary McCord allegedly asked for $250,000 to consult and cameo, and got it.

About 1:52

Production note

The film used real PGA pros as extras after offering their wives a banquet with Costner and Don Johnson.

About 1:44

Production note

The episode says the movie has 35 PGA golfer cameos.

About 32 min

Production note

The hosts say the film's golf holes and final open sequence were built to feel authentic, including a real water hole on set.

About 1:52

Bull Durham

Used as the earlier Shelton-Costner baseball template and as part of the sports-movie canon.

About 8 min

Jerry Maguire

Cited as part of the 1996 sports-movie shift toward romance and broader appeal.

About 8 min

Happy Gilmore

Repeatedly used as the main comparison for golf-comedy popularity and reverence.

About 8 min

Waterworld

Mentioned as the stressful recent project Costner had just completed before Tin Cup.

About 16 min

Greg Norman / 1996 Masters

Used to explain the emotional context of 1996 golf and why the sport was culturally hot.

About 24 min

Tiger Woods

Referenced as the player whose emergence reshaped golf right after this movie came out.

About 24 min

The Sports Machine

Cited as the real TV highlight show represented by George Michael's cameo.

About 32 min

Waffle House

Used as the movie’s iconic food stop and as a shorthand for Roy's world.

About 1:44

Miami Vice

Referenced to compare Don Johnson/Costner style and to describe Roy’s wardrobe vibe.

About 24 min

Rocky

Used in discussion of sports-movie endings and whether the protagonist loses or ties.

About 1:52

Friday Night Lights

Referenced as another sports movie with a late loss ending and as a Texas setting comparison.

About 1:52

Caddyshack

Mentioned as the other canonical golf comedy and a likely top competitor in popularity.

About 1:52

Thomas Crown Affair

Used as a double-feature choice because of Rene Russo.

About 1:52
11 Running jokes and short linesRecurring bits captured from the conversation

Golf-sicko authenticity

The panel repeatedly indulges in technical golf debates about carries, spin, layups, and club choice.

Opening minutes

Quote-callback chain

They keep returning to lines like 'grip it and rip it,' 'let the big dog eat,' and the movie’s philosophical golf quotes.

About 1:04

Nantz admiration bit

Bill keeps praising Jim Nantz’s voice and booth presence as if he is personally starstruck.

About 1:04

Waffle House order drill-down

House’s Waffle House order becomes a running joke about his certainty and enthusiasm.

About 1:44

Golf-movie GOAT debate

The episode repeatedly compares Costner to other actors with sports-film résumés.

About 8 min

Don't-lay-up philosophy

The phrase becomes both a life lesson and a recurring joke about Roy’s fatal flaw.

Opening minutes

Speaker not identified

“stupidest, silliest, most idiotic grotesquery”
Opening minutes

Bill Simmons

“Let the big dog eat.”
About 1:04

Bill Simmons

“When a defining moment comes along”
About 1:04

Joe House

“Nice par, David.”
About 1:12

Craig Horlbeck

“humongous, humongous mistake”
About 1:52

MAKE IT A MOVIE NIGHT

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WHAT TO WATCH NEXT

Movies to watch before and after.

Three movies to watch before Tin Cup, and three to watch next.

Finding six movies…Three to watch first and three to watch next.
Includes a Rewatchables episodePosters from TMDB.

ON THE MIC

3 voices made the call

Bill Simmons headshotBill Simmons125 tracked appearances · 56 H / 64 C / 5 ties
Joe House1 tracked appearances · 1 H / 0 C
Craig Horlbeck5 tracked appearances · 4 H / 1 C

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