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THE REWATCHABLES · December 16, 2019

The Godfather Part II

A 1974 crime / drama directed by Francis Ford Coppola, covered in the complete Rewatchables archive.

CrimeDrama1970sDirected by Francis Ford Coppola
Overall episode#111Source sheet order
Movie year19741970s
Tomatometer96%Critics’ score
Metacritic90View score
Roger Ebert4/4Original star rating
DirectorFrancis Ford CoppolaCrime / Drama

FROM THE CONVERSATION

What they said about the movie

The panel argues that The Godfather Part II is either the best movie ever or very close to it, praising its structural audacity, moral complexity, and emotional devastation. They focus on the parallel Michael/Vito storytelling, the film’s themes of family, assimilation, power, betrayal, and the way repeated viewings reveal new meanings.
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WHY IT WORKS

What made it rewatchable

  1. 01Parallel structure between young Vito and Michael makes repeated viewings rewarding as new connections emerge. Opening minutes
  2. 02Michael’s poker-like strategy scenes reward close attention because his motives are gradually revealed. About 8 min
  3. 03The film’s visual style and Gordon Willis lighting create a mood that deepens over time. About 32 min
  4. 04Key set pieces such as the Geary negotiation, Havana sequence, and assassination scenes are densely written and staged. About 48 min
  5. 05The movie’s moral ambiguity allows viewers to shift sympathy among characters on rewatch. Opening minutes

WHAT DID NOT WORK

Their main criticisms

  1. minorThe film is so emotionally punishing that it can feel less immediately 'fun' than Part I. About 8 min
  2. moderateThe back-and-forth structure can be confusing on a first viewing, especially in theaters. About 8 min
  3. moderateSome plot logic around the drapes/Fredo betrayal remains unclear even after many viewings. About 1:12
  4. moderateKay is described by Bill as poorly constructed and underwritten. About 1:04
  5. minorThe film’s Oscars were partly marred by what the hosts see as a bad supporting-actor result for Pacino. About 32 min

SCENES THEY KEPT COMING BACK TO

Standout moments

Favorite

Geary negotiation

Michael shuts down Senator Geary with the iconic 'my offer is nothing' exchange.

About 48 min
Favorite

Hyman Roth explains Moe Greene

Roth reveals his history with Moe Greene and signals his own power and resentment.

About 48 min
Favorite

Michael and Fredo at the cafe in Havana

A tense brother-to-brother conversation that the panel treats as the key decision point.

About 8 min
Favorite

Vito kills Don Fanucci

The rooftop stalking and gunkill are praised as a symphony of filmmaking.

About 48 min
positive

The pear after Vito’s victory

A quiet domestic moment that Brian finds devastatingly beautiful.

About 48 min
critical

Connie asks Michael to forgive Fredo

Ends with Michael’s menacing look to Al Neri and underlines the family rupture.

About 56 min
Favorite

Tom and Frankie at the prison fence

The prison-visit scene is praised for its writing and acting, with a coded threat to the families.

About 1:04
mixed

Roth assassination attempt / Hyman Roth death

The Cuban airport/hospital assassination attempt is admired for tension but discussed as confusing in logistics.

About 1:12
critical

Michael and Kay in the abortion scene

A brutal confrontation where Kay reveals the abortion and Michael’s shock is central.

About 56 min
Favorite

Vito and Don Ciccio

The Sicily revenge killing is highlighted as an iconic early-corleone moment.

About 56 min

WHERE THEY DISAGREED

The biggest debates

They partly agreed About 8 min

Was Michael already deciding to kill Fredo in the café?

Bill Simmons

Yes; he reads Michael’s stare as the moment of decision.

Brian Koppelman

Michael knows but is still hoping Fredo is not guilty.

Chris Ryan

Michael is measuring Fredo like a poker player rather than openly deciding.

No final agreement About 1:12

Did Fredo understand the assassination plot or only help with access?

Bill Simmons

He likely opened the drapes and knew enough to deserve blame.

Brian Koppelman

The exact mechanics remain murky and may not even be fully answerable.

Chris Ryan

Fredo may have only been promised influence and not told about the hit.

No final agreement About 1:04

Is Kay a strong character or a poorly constructed one?

Bill Simmons

She is a weak character with too many bad scenes.

Chris Ryan

She is a serious dramatic actress with meaningful scenes.

Sean Fennessey

She represents the woman trapped in this world and works within that frame.

They partly agreed About 48 min

Could Fredo have been saved if he had acted differently?

Brian Koppelman

Maybe he could have survived by being honest earlier, but not once Tahoe came into play.

Chris Ryan

By Tahoe it was already over.

Bill Simmons

Michael had already crossed the line once the betrayal was real.

They partly agreed About 1:36

Was Clemenza better than Pentangeli for the role?

Bill Simmons

He would have liked Clemenza back and thinks it would have had more weight.

Brian Koppelman

Pentangeli adds warmth and a distinct energy that the film needed.

Chris Ryan

Pentangeli works and gives the movie something the first film lacked.

17 People discussedActors, directors, writers, and producers
very favorableFrancis Ford CoppolaBill Simmons: Praised as a major artist who made an unmatched film and was given extraordinary freedom. Opening minutes very favorableAl PacinoBill Simmons: Discussed as giving one of the greatest screen performances ever as Michael Corleone. About 8 min very favorableRobert De NiroBrian Koppelman: Praised for the young Vito performance and for embodying a completely different energy than Pacino. About 8 min very favorableRobert DuvallSean Fennessey: Held up as one of the great understated actors, especially as Tom Hagen. About 32 min mixedTalia ShireBill Simmons: Bill is critical of Kay as a character but others defend Shire’s acting and key scenes. About 1:04 favorableLee StrasbergChris Ryan: Admired as Hyman Roth, a perfect casting choice drawing on acting-history gravitas. About 24 min
favorableG.D. SpradlinSean Fennessey: Praised for Senator Geary and his anti-Italian speech. About 1:12
very favorableJohn CazaleBill Simmons: Mentioned as the key Oscar omission and a major performance presence in the film. About 32 min
favorableMichael GazzoChris Ryan: Praised as Frankie Pentangeli and for the warmth and volatility he brings. About 16 min
very favorableGordon WillisSean Fennessey: Celebrated for the movie’s shadowy visual design and its emotional effect. About 32 min favorableMario PuzoBrian Koppelman: Credited with the book’s structure and with shaping the sequel’s parallel narrative. About 8 min
neutralEli KazanBill Simmons: Mentioned as a possible director for the sequel and as a source of cast inspiration. About 16 min
favorableDanny AielloChris Ryan: Discussed as the source of the ad-libbed 'Banana daiquiri' line. About 8 min
neutralArt CarneyBill Simmons: Used as the famous Oscar winner who beat Pacino, which the hosts dislike. About 24 min
neutralJohn FrankenheimerChris Ryan: Referenced through comparisons to other 1970s filmmaking, not as a major subject. About 40 min · low confidencefavorableJames CaanBill Simmons: Mentioned in relation to Sonny’s return and the continuity with the first film. About 56 min neutralMarlon BrandoBill Simmons: Mentioned as an unrealized Vito cameo that would have been distracting. About 56 min
14 Conversation takesSpeakers shown only where the transcript identifies them
Bill SimmonsLoved it

The Godfather Part II as the best movie ever

Argues the film may be the best ever made and that it is the most devastating rewatch experience.

Opening minutes
Chris RyanLoved it

The Godfather Part II versus The Godfather

Says Part II is more complex, riskier, and more adult than Part I.

Opening minutes
Sean FennesseyLoved it

The Godfather Part II as an opera

Describes the sequel as deeper, longer, weirder, and emotionally more complicated than Part I.

Opening minutes
Brian KoppelmanLoved it

The Godfather Part II as an artistic achievement

Calls it the best movie ever made and a text that teaches how storytelling works.

Opening minutes
Bill SimmonsLoved it

Michael and Fredo in the café

Views the café scene as the moment Michael decides Fredo must die.

About 8 min
Brian KoppelmanLoved it

Hyman Roth

Praises Roth as a brilliantly cast embodiment of power and deceit.

About 16 min
Bill SimmonsDid not like it

Kay Corleone

Calls Kay a weak or badly constructed character and argues she contributes little.

About 1:04
Chris RyanLoved it

Senator Geary negotiation

Finds the Geary scene highly rewatchable and central to Michael’s power.

About 48 min
Sean FennesseyLoved it

Gordon Willis’s lighting and framing

Says Willis’s cinematography is integral to how the story feels and works.

About 32 min
Chris RyanLoved it

The Havana sequence

Chooses the Havana stretch, especially Michael and Fredo in the café, as his favorite stretch.

About 1:20
Bill SimmonsLoved it

Fredo Corleone

Says Fredo’s death is the most devastating movie death and that he feels for him on repeat viewings.

About 8 min
Brian KoppelmanLoved it

The abortion confrontation

Calls it Pacino’s greatest scene and one of the most rewatchable in the movie.

About 56 min
Bill SimmonsDid not like it

Diane Keaton / Kay Corleone

Pushes hardest on the idea that the character is underwritten and not very compelling.

About 1:04
Sean FennesseyLoved it

Tom Hagen

Treats Hagen as one of the moral and acting anchors of the film.

About 1:28
5 ThemesThe larger ideas in the discussion

Family and betrayal

The movie is framed as a tragedy about family bonds being tested and destroyed, especially Michael and Fredo.

Opening minutes

Assimilation and loss of identity

The hosts emphasize how the film strips the Corleones of Italian heritage and replaces it with American money and power.

Opening minutes

Power and moral corruption

Michael and Roth are treated as studies in how power changes people and requires ruthless calculation.

About 8 min

Storytelling craft

The movie is praised as a masterclass in structure, performance, editing, and scene construction.

Opening minutes

Immigrant ambition and American capitalism

The film is read as a story about immigrants, America, business, and the corruption that comes with success.

Opening minutes
23 Facts and referencesProduction notes and other movies mentioned

Production note

The panel says the movie was made on a $13 million budget and grossed about $88 million.

About 16 min

Production note

They say it was the first sequel ever to win Best Picture.

About 16 min

Production note

The film won six Oscars, including Best Director for Coppola and Best Supporting Actor for De Niro.

About 16 min

Production note

The film was initially confusing in early screenings because of its intercut structure.

About 16 min

Production note

Danny Aiello likely ad-libbed the 'banana daiquiri' line to get paid for dialogue.

About 8 min

Production note

Bill says Coppola asked Paramount for unusually broad creative control after Godfather.

About 16 min

Production note

The hosts mention that Pacino and De Niro both won Oscars playing the same character across the series.

About 16 min

Production note

A deleted scene would have had Michael kill Fabrizio from the first film.

About 1:28

The Godfather

Used as the benchmark for rewatchability and as the predecessor to Part II.

Opening minutes

The Irishman

Used in comparisons about length, rewatchability, and later appreciation.

About 16 min

King of New York

Referenced in a discussion about dark-side filmmaking and January podcast coverage.

About 8 min

Rounders

Used by Bill as a comparison for a first viewing that becomes clearer later.

About 16 min

Goodfellas

Referenced as another movie that leaves viewers feeling bad after a first viewing.

About 16 min

Moby Dick

Used to describe the experience of great works being initially missed.

About 16 min

The Conversation

Cited as one of Coppola’s other major films and part of his negotiation with Paramount.

About 16 min

The Great Gatsby

Mentioned as another project Coppola wanted to write during this period.

About 16 min

Chinatown

Referenced in Oscar discussion as a major 1974 nominee and Nicholson showcase.

About 24 min

Lenny

Referenced in the Oscar race for best actor and best picture.

About 24 min

The Towering Inferno

Mentioned as a best-picture nominee in the 1975 Oscars conversation.

About 24 min

Rocky

Used to mark the shift from New Hollywood to the blockbuster era.

About 32 min

Apocalypse Now

Referenced as another Coppola masterpiece and a potential future episode.

About 32 min

The Sopranos

Referenced as a show that inherited the Godfather lineage and cast similar actors.

About 1:36

Rollerball

Brought up repeatedly as a future Rewatchables candidate and a sports-movie obsession.

About 1:12
12 Running jokes and short linesRecurring bits captured from the conversation

'My offer is nothing'

Bill repeatedly quotes Michael’s line to Geary as a personal/funny refrain.

About 48 min

Drapes mystery

The panel keeps returning to what Fredo knew, who opened the drapes, and how the hit worked.

About 1:12

Kay take pile-on

Bill’s anti-Kay take becomes a running argument with the others pushing back.

About 1:04

Merle obsession

The offbeat character Merle is repeatedly joked about and analyzed.

About 1:28

Rollerball detour

The conversation veers into a long side-bit about doing a Rollerball episode.

About 1:12

Art Carney outrage

The hosts keep returning to Pacino losing Best Actor to Art Carney.

About 24 min

Pacino voice theory

Bill suggests Pacino’s style changed after the 1970s and became more exaggerated later.

About 1:28

Bill Simmons

“My offer is nothing.”
About 48 min

Brian Koppelman

“You broke my heart.”
About 56 min

Bill Simmons

“It was an abortion, Michael.”
About 56 min

Sean Fennessey

“It unfolds like the very, very best”
Opening minutes

Chris Ryan

“I know it was you, Fredo.”
About 56 min

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