A favorable, highly conversational defense of The Edge as a smart, rewatchable wilderness-survival thriller with a strong bear movie, a sharp class/rich-guy angle, and memorable performances from Anthony Hopkins and Alec Baldwin. The hosts also spend a lot of time on the film's 90s billionaire politics, Bart the Bear, and how the movie works as a suspense machine.
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favorableHarold PerrineauVan Lathan: Remembered fondly as a recurring 90s/early-2000s presence, and jokingly discussed as the likely doomed black character. About 48 min
criticalJeff BezosVan Lathan: Used as an example of a modern billionaire no one would root for against a bear. About 8 min
Argues the betrayal angle is what makes the rich-guy setup work.
About 32 min
5 ThemesThe larger ideas in the discussion
Class and wealth resentment
The movie is framed as a 90s-era story where a billionaire was once aspirational, but also vulnerable to being undercut by class resentment and changing audience politics.
About 8 min
Man vs. nature survival
The hosts emphasize the psychological and physical appeal of being trapped in the wild with limited tools and a dangerous bear.
Opening minutes
Male ego and cuckoldry
The affair and attempted betrayal drive the story's emotional engine, and they note how easily audiences root against the cheating rival.
About 24 min
Competence as character
Hopkins' ability to think, observe, and improvise is presented as the thing that saves him and justifies his wealth in the wilderness.
About 16 min
90s celebrity ecology
The episode briefly expands into 90s models, billionaires, and movie-star economics, using the film as a snapshot of its era.
About 24 min
21 Facts and referencesProduction notes and other movies mentioned
Production note
The script originally went through many rejected titles, including Bookworm, Dead Hunt, Precipice, and The Bear and the Brain.
About 1:36
Production note
Bart the Bear reportedly worked with Hopkins on both Legends of the Fall and The Edge.
About 40 min
Production note
Roger Ebert reportedly disliked the ending credit placement for Bart the Bear.
About 40 min
Production note
The film was shot in Alberta and British Columbia.
About 40 min
Production note
Hopkins had neck issues and hypothermia-related problems during production, causing a shutdown.
About 1:36 · medium confidence
Production note
A Brazilian TV reality show was inspired by the movie's survival techniques.
About 1:36 · medium confidence
Cast Away
Used as an example of man-vs-nature survival storytelling.
Opening minutes
Lord of the Flies
Used as a comparison point for wilderness hierarchy, though the hosts say this movie is different.
About 8 min
Wall Street
Cited as part of the broader 80s/90s billionaire-as-aspiration era.
About 8 min
Silence of the Lambs
Used to discuss Hopkins' star-making career trajectory.
About 16 min
The Bounty
Van compares The Edge to The Bounty and its marooned-man-return structure.
About 24 min
Mutiny on the Bounty
Referenced as a favorite survival/boat movie adjacent to the discussion.
About 24 min · medium confidence
Color of Night
Cited as a mid-90s erotic thriller that featured Bruce Willis nudity.
About 24 min
Body of Evidence
Mentioned as Madonna's failed erotic-thriller turn.
About 24 min
The Great Outdoors
Used as a favorite bear movie comparison.
About 40 min
The Revenant
Referenced as another bear movie that is intense but not rewatchable for them.
About 40 min
Deep Blue Sea
Used as a shocking-turn comparison and an example of a beloved rewatchable death scene.
About 1:04
Alive
Referenced as perhaps the ultimate rescue/survival film.
About 1:12
Cliffhanger
Used to compare the opening aerial and mountain spectacle.
About 40 min
Yellowjackets
Mentioned as a modern show about survival in the wilderness.
About 1:28
The Office
Jenna Fisher is mentioned as a fan of the movie.
About 1:36
10 Running jokes and short linesRecurring bits captured from the conversation
Bart the Bear reverence
A long comic reverence for Bart as an elite animal actor who deserves more credit and maybe award recognition.
About 40 min
20th-century Baldwin defense
Van repeatedly distinguishes classic 90s Alec Baldwin from his later-life notoriety and jokes he is defending '20th century Baldwin.'
About 32 min
Rule of three / black guy dies
Van jokes that the lone black character is doomed in survival and horror movies, using Harold Perrineau as the example.
About 48 min
Naked and Afraid enthusiasm
Van repeatedly references watching Naked and Afraid and how hard wilderness craft is, using it to gauge the movie's plausibility.
About 56 min
Cuckold jokes
The hosts make repeated jokes around cuckolding, rooting for the betrayed husband, and the affair setup.
About 48 min
Bill Simmons
“I'm gonna kill the bear.”
Opening minutes
Van Lathan
“eat the rich”
About 8 min
Bill Simmons
“Never feel sorry for a man who owns a plane.”
About 1:36
Bill Simmons
“most people lost in the wild die of shame”
About 1:36
Van Lathan
“I'm gonna kill the motherfucker”
Opening minutes
MAKE IT A MOVIE NIGHT
Where to watch
UNITED STATES
Checking where The Edge is available…
WHAT TO WATCH NEXT
Movies to watch before and after.
Three movies to watch before The Edge, and three to watch next.
Finding six movies…Three to watch first and three to watch next.
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