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THE REWATCHABLES · October 25, 2022

The Edge

A 1997 adventure / drama directed by Lee Tamahori, covered in the complete Rewatchables archive.

AdventureDrama1990sDirected by Lee Tamahori

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Overall episode#279Source sheet order
Movie year19971990s
Tomatometer63%Critics’ score
Metacritic66View score
Roger Ebert3/4Original star rating
DirectorLee TamahoriAdventure / Drama

FROM THE CONVERSATION

What they said about the movie

A favorable, highly conversational defense of The Edge as a smart, rewatchable wilderness-survival thriller with a strong bear movie, a sharp class/rich-guy angle, and memorable performances from Anthony Hopkins and Alec Baldwin. The hosts also spend a lot of time on the film's 90s billionaire politics, Bart the Bear, and how the movie works as a suspense machine.
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Bill SimmonsVan Lathan

WHY IT WORKS

What made it rewatchable

  1. 01The wilderness-survival setup creates immediate 'what would I do?' tension. Opening minutes
  2. 02The movie's rich-guy-versus-bear/class tension gives it extra bite. About 8 min
  3. 03Anthony Hopkins' quiet, observant performance rewards repeat viewing. About 16 min
  4. 04Alec Baldwin's unhinged antagonist performance is highly watchable. About 16 min
  5. 05The bear set-pieces are memorable and suspenseful. About 48 min

WHAT DID NOT WORK

Their main criticisms

  1. moderateElle Macpherson's acting is weak and hurts the movie. About 1:12
  2. minorThe ending has some odd beats, especially the post-fall behavior and rescue staging. About 1:20 · medium confidence
  3. minorThe watch engraving and affair logistics are implausibly sloppy. About 1:36
  4. minorSome later Baldwin/forest survival beats are a little goofy. About 1:12 · medium confidence

SCENES THEY KEPT COMING BACK TO

Standout moments

positive

Opening cabin dynamics and bear warning

The initial cabin setup establishes hierarchy, class, and bear danger while planting tension.

About 8 min
mixed

Surprise birthday bear prank

Alec Baldwin's prank embarrasses Hopkins and sharpens the affair tension, but it is also a funny, high-stakes humiliation scene.

About 16 min
Favorite

Plane crash in the wilderness

The birds hitting the windshield and the crash are described as gripping and terrifying.

About 40 min
Favorite

First bear encounter

The bear reveal and the team scrambling to survive is a major suspense highlight.

About 48 min
mixed

Harold's death / the spear accident

Harold's accidental self-impalement is darkly funny and a plot reset.

About 56 min
Favorite

Bear-trap kill

The improvised trap and spear kill are treated as the movie's most satisfying action beat.

About 56 min
Favorite

Cabin confrontation and watch reveal

Baldwin's drunken confession scene is singled out as the best dramatic scene.

About 1:20
positive

Final rescue

The helicopter rescue is satisfying, if not the episode's primary focus.

About 1:12 · medium confidence

WHERE THEY DISAGREED

The biggest debates

No final agreement About 1:20

Would Baldwin actually shoot Hopkins?

Van Lathan

He thinks Baldwin would not ultimately have done it.

Bill Simmons

He thinks Baldwin probably would have done it.

No final agreement About 1:36

Bear vs. shark as the worse death

Bill Simmons

He would rather be attacked by a shark, wanting a quicker death.

Van Lathan

He would rather take the bear, despite the mauling risk.

They agreed About 1:36

Should Bob have been rescued from the bear hole?

Van Lathan

No; he pointed a gun and betrayed Charles, so leave him.

Bill Simmons

He also leans no and says he would not have helped.

They agreed About 1:12

Is Elle Macpherson salvageable in the role?

Bill Simmons

No; a real actress would have helped.

Van Lathan

No; she is a weak link, though the role is limited.

They agreed About 8 min

Would the movie work today with a billionaire protagonist?

Bill Simmons

Much less likely, because audiences now would root against the billionaire.

Van Lathan

Agrees and extends the point to modern wealth politics.

12 People discussedActors, directors, writers, and producers
favorableAnthony HopkinsBill Simmons: Praised for a quiet, perceptive, eye-driven performance that fits the role well. About 16 min favorableAlec BaldwinVan Lathan: Admired as a compelling, arrogant, high-strung antagonist and one of his best leading-man turns. About 16 min
criticalElle MacphersonBill Simmons: Considered visually iconic but a weak actress who drags down her scenes. About 1:12
very favorableBart the BearBill Simmons: Celebrated as an elite animal performer and arguably the movie's real winner. About 40 min
favorableDavid MametBill Simmons: Credited with a strong script and the core rich-guy/cuckold setup. About 32 min
neutralLee TamahoriBill Simmons: Mentioned as the director without extended critique. About 32 min · medium confidence
neutralRoger EbertBill Simmons: Cited for his mixed review and objection to the ending credit placement. About 40 min
favorableHarold PerrineauVan Lathan: Remembered fondly as a recurring 90s/early-2000s presence, and jokingly discussed as the likely doomed black character. About 48 min
criticalJeff BezosVan Lathan: Used as an example of a modern billionaire no one would root for against a bear. About 8 min
neutralBruce WillisVan Lathan: Referenced through Color of Night as part of the 90s erotic-thriller trend. About 24 min · medium confidencecriticalMadonnaVan Lathan: Referenced as an actress whose erotic-thriller attempt did not work. About 24 min · medium confidenceneutralElvis PresleyBill Simmons: Not directly central; mentioned only in passing among cultural analogies? Opening minutes · low confidence
10 Conversation takesSpeakers shown only where the transcript identifies them
Bill SimmonsLoved it

The Edge

Says he loves the movie and thinks it is hugely memorable and quotable.

Opening minutes
Van LathanLoved it

The Edge

Calls it one of his favorite movies and says the wilderness/bear setup is inherently dramatic.

Opening minutes
Bill SimmonsMixed

billionaire audience sympathy

Argues the film reflects a time when billionaires were aspirational rather than automatic villains.

About 8 min
Van LathanDid not like it

surprise birthday bear prank

Says the birthday bear prank is a messed-up humiliation play that could have caused a heart attack.

About 16 min
Bill SimmonsLiked it

Anthony Hopkins

Thinks Hopkins is perfect for the role and one of his favorite Hopkins performances.

About 16 min
Van LathanLoved it

Alec Baldwin

Says Baldwin is a great actor whose cabin monologue is a standout.

About 16 min
Bill SimmonsLoved it

the cabin confrontation scene

Calls the cabin confrontation one of the movie's best scenes and says Baldwin's menace is terrific.

About 1:20
Van LathanLoved it

Bart the Bear / bear set-pieces

Treats the bear as the real star and says the bear scenes are the movie's most rewatchable material.

About 48 min
Bill SimmonsDid not like it

Elle Macpherson

Says her performance is the film's weak link.

About 1:12
Van LathanLiked it

cuckold story setup

Argues the betrayal angle is what makes the rich-guy setup work.

About 32 min
5 ThemesThe larger ideas in the discussion

Class and wealth resentment

The movie is framed as a 90s-era story where a billionaire was once aspirational, but also vulnerable to being undercut by class resentment and changing audience politics.

About 8 min

Man vs. nature survival

The hosts emphasize the psychological and physical appeal of being trapped in the wild with limited tools and a dangerous bear.

Opening minutes

Male ego and cuckoldry

The affair and attempted betrayal drive the story's emotional engine, and they note how easily audiences root against the cheating rival.

About 24 min

Competence as character

Hopkins' ability to think, observe, and improvise is presented as the thing that saves him and justifies his wealth in the wilderness.

About 16 min

90s celebrity ecology

The episode briefly expands into 90s models, billionaires, and movie-star economics, using the film as a snapshot of its era.

About 24 min
21 Facts and referencesProduction notes and other movies mentioned

Production note

The script originally went through many rejected titles, including Bookworm, Dead Hunt, Precipice, and The Bear and the Brain.

About 1:36

Production note

Bart the Bear reportedly worked with Hopkins on both Legends of the Fall and The Edge.

About 40 min

Production note

Roger Ebert reportedly disliked the ending credit placement for Bart the Bear.

About 40 min

Production note

The film was shot in Alberta and British Columbia.

About 40 min

Production note

Hopkins had neck issues and hypothermia-related problems during production, causing a shutdown.

About 1:36 · medium confidence

Production note

A Brazilian TV reality show was inspired by the movie's survival techniques.

About 1:36 · medium confidence

Cast Away

Used as an example of man-vs-nature survival storytelling.

Opening minutes

Lord of the Flies

Used as a comparison point for wilderness hierarchy, though the hosts say this movie is different.

About 8 min

Wall Street

Cited as part of the broader 80s/90s billionaire-as-aspiration era.

About 8 min

Silence of the Lambs

Used to discuss Hopkins' star-making career trajectory.

About 16 min

The Bounty

Van compares The Edge to The Bounty and its marooned-man-return structure.

About 24 min

Mutiny on the Bounty

Referenced as a favorite survival/boat movie adjacent to the discussion.

About 24 min · medium confidence

Color of Night

Cited as a mid-90s erotic thriller that featured Bruce Willis nudity.

About 24 min

Body of Evidence

Mentioned as Madonna's failed erotic-thriller turn.

About 24 min

The Great Outdoors

Used as a favorite bear movie comparison.

About 40 min

The Revenant

Referenced as another bear movie that is intense but not rewatchable for them.

About 40 min

Deep Blue Sea

Used as a shocking-turn comparison and an example of a beloved rewatchable death scene.

About 1:04

Alive

Referenced as perhaps the ultimate rescue/survival film.

About 1:12

Cliffhanger

Used to compare the opening aerial and mountain spectacle.

About 40 min

Yellowjackets

Mentioned as a modern show about survival in the wilderness.

About 1:28

The Office

Jenna Fisher is mentioned as a fan of the movie.

About 1:36
10 Running jokes and short linesRecurring bits captured from the conversation

Bart the Bear reverence

A long comic reverence for Bart as an elite animal actor who deserves more credit and maybe award recognition.

About 40 min

20th-century Baldwin defense

Van repeatedly distinguishes classic 90s Alec Baldwin from his later-life notoriety and jokes he is defending '20th century Baldwin.'

About 32 min

Rule of three / black guy dies

Van jokes that the lone black character is doomed in survival and horror movies, using Harold Perrineau as the example.

About 48 min

Naked and Afraid enthusiasm

Van repeatedly references watching Naked and Afraid and how hard wilderness craft is, using it to gauge the movie's plausibility.

About 56 min

Cuckold jokes

The hosts make repeated jokes around cuckolding, rooting for the betrayed husband, and the affair setup.

About 48 min

Bill Simmons

“I'm gonna kill the bear.”
Opening minutes

Van Lathan

“eat the rich”
About 8 min

Bill Simmons

“Never feel sorry for a man who owns a plane.”
About 1:36

Bill Simmons

“most people lost in the wild die of shame”
About 1:36

Van Lathan

“I'm gonna kill the motherfucker”
Opening minutes

MAKE IT A MOVIE NIGHT

Where to watch

UNITED STATES

Checking where The Edge is available…

WHAT TO WATCH NEXT

Movies to watch before and after.

Three movies to watch before The Edge, and three to watch next.

Finding six movies…Three to watch first and three to watch next.
Includes a Rewatchables episodePosters from TMDB.

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