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THE REWATCHABLES · September 3, 2018

Taken

A 2008 action / thriller directed by Pierre Morel, covered in the complete Rewatchables archive.

ActionThriller2000sDirected by Pierre Morel
Overall episode#46Source sheet order
Movie year20082000s
Tomatometer60%Critics’ score
Metacritic51View score
Roger Ebert—No review recorded
DirectorPierre MorelAction / Thriller

FROM THE CONVERSATION

What they said about the movie

The hosts argue that Taken is the quintessential easy-to-rewatch action movie: simple, propulsive, and built around Liam Neeson’s unexpected turn into an older-man action star. They admire its clean premise, memorable phone speech, and father-daughter urgency, while also noting its obvious plot holes and dated stereotyping.
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In this conversation
Bill SimmonsShea Serrano

WHY IT WORKS

What made it rewatchable

  1. 01It is treated as the perfect no-brainer action movie with a plot that can be summarized in a few words. Opening minutes
  2. 02Liam Neeson’s performance gives the movie unusual weight and credibility. About 8 min
  3. 03The movie has a handful of top-tier rewatchable scenes, especially the phone speech and the dinner scene with Jean-Claude. About 24 min
  4. 04It launched a whole subgenre of older-actor action films. About 8 min
  5. 05The movie satisfies the fantasy of a skilled father protecting his daughter. About 16 min · medium confidence

WHAT DID NOT WORK

Their main criticisms

  1. majorThe film relies on broad ethnic stereotyping, presenting nearly everyone except Liam Neeson as dangerous foreign kidnappers. About 32 min
  2. minorThe U2 concert cover story feels implausible for teenage girls in 2008. About 32 min
  3. moderateSome plot mechanics are hard to believe, including the apartment layout, the cell phone left behind, and the auction setup. About 48 min
  4. moderateLenore is judged to be an appalling mother and Stuart is a weak stepdad. About 56 min
  5. minorTaken 2 is seen as less exciting because it gives Liam Neeson a defined enemy instead of the original's freewheeling hunt. About 40 min

SCENES THEY KEPT COMING BACK TO

Standout moments

Favorite

The phone speech

Brian warns the kidnappers he will find and kill them if Kim is not released.

About 32 min
Favorite

Kim gets taken

The abduction sequence is repeatedly referenced as the inciting event and a core rewatchable scene.

About 24 min
Favorite

Brian takes out the apartment/brothel

Brian tears through the kidnappers’ hideout after tracing the call.

About 24 min
Favorite

Brian shows up to Jean-Claude’s dinner

The tension-filled dinner scene ends with Brian shooting Jean-Claude’s wife in the arm.

About 24 min
positive

Jean-Claude and Brian face off outside the house

The confrontation reinforces the desk-job/black-ops contrast and Brian’s lethal seriousness.

About 24 min
mixed

Airport confrontation about the trip to Europe

Brian learns Kim is going to Europe to follow U2 and objects to Lenore’s handling of it.

About 32 min
critical

The sex-club auction

The hosts question the plausibility of the elaborate auction setup and the kidnapping logistics.

About 56 min

WHERE THEY DISAGREED

The biggest debates

They partly agreed About 24 min

Which scene is the movie’s best/rewatchable centerpiece?

Bill Simmons

The Jean-Claude dinner scene is the best and most rewatchable.

Shea Serrano

The abduction and phone-speech-driven structure contains the movie’s best moments, though he later agrees the speech is iconic.

They partly agreed About 32 min

Which moment has aged the best: the speech, Liam Neeson’s whole career turn, or the movie’s basic premise?

Bill Simmons

The Liam Neeson career transformation has aged the best because the role rewrites his whole filmography.

Shea Serrano

The speech is the best individual element, but Bill argues it was already perfect on day one rather than aging upward.

They partly agreed About 32 min

How plausible is the U2 cover story?

Bill Simmons

It is implausible that teenage girls in 2008 would lie to follow U2 around Europe.

Shea Serrano

He initially doubts it too, but notes a counterargument that young white women might still buy into U2.

They agreed About 40 min

Taken 2 compared with Taken

Bill Simmons

The sequel is enjoyable but less exciting because the original’s lack of a single villain made it more fun.

Shea Serrano

He defends Taken 2 as watchable, though not better than the first.

20 People discussedActors, directors, writers, and producers
very favorableLiam NeesonBill Simmons: Praised as the key reason the movie works and as the apex of his improbable action-movie second life. About 8 min
mixedJean-ClaudeBill Simmons: The desk-bound old colleague is mocked for forgetting how to use a gun and serving as a symbol of softness. About 32 min
criticalLenoreShea Serrano: Called a terrible mom whose advice and judgment are deeply flawed. About 32 min
criticalStuartBill Simmons: Viewed as a helpless stepdad who contributes little beyond showing up at the airport. About 56 min
neutralKimBill Simmons: Discussed as the daughter whose choices drive the plot and who supposedly learns to trust her father afterward. About 32 min · medium confidence
neutralAmandaBill Simmons: Mentioned as Kim’s friend who is kidnapped with her. Opening minutes
neutralBrian MillsBill Simmons: The protagonist is described as a former government operative trying to rescue his daughter. Opening minutes
mixedU2Bill Simmons: Used as a debated explanation for why teenagers would travel to Europe; the hosts think it is implausible. About 32 min criticalRoger EbertBill Simmons: Mocked for rating the movie too low. Opening minutes neutralSteven SeagalBill Simmons: Referenced as part of the earlier era of action movies they grew up with. Opening minutes favorableSylvester StalloneBill Simmons: Used as a benchmark for classic action heroes and for First Blood. Opening minutes favorableArnold SchwarzeneggerBill Simmons: Cited as part of the 1980s action-movie glory era. Opening minutes favorableDenzel WashingtonBill Simmons: Mentioned as another star who could play similar action-thriller roles, especially later in the genre’s evolution. About 8 min favorableKeanu ReevesBill Simmons: Praised as another action star whose John Wick turn they did not see coming. About 8 min mixedJeff BridgesBill Simmons: Named as a casting what-if for Brian Mills after dropping out of the role. About 40 min mixedFamke JanssenBill Simmons: Criticized as the incompetent wife/mother in the film, though the conversation notes her later activism. About 48 min
neutralMaggie GraceBill Simmons: Recognized as the daughter role and as an actress whose image remains tied to Taken. About 48 min
criticalMel GibsonBill Simmons: Rejected as a possible name to pair with the kidnap/ransom genre because of the speaker’s dislike for him. About 1:04
neutralAlberto SalazarBill Simmons: Mentioned in a trivia claim that Maggie Grace trained with him to run like a younger girl. About 48 min · medium confidence
favorableVin DieselBill Simmons: Used as part of the early-2000s action-star lineage in the discussion of the genre. Opening minutes
10 Conversation takesSpeakers shown only where the transcript identifies them
Bill SimmonsLoved it

Taken as the perfect five o'clocker

Bill argues the movie is the ideal after-work action film: simple, satisfying, and easy to follow.

Opening minutes
Bill SimmonsLoved it

Liam Neeson

He praises Neeson as the unexpected actor who made the whole concept work.

About 8 min
Bill SimmonsLiked it

Taken as a father-daughter movie

He frames the film as unusually emotional for an action movie because it is driven by paternal love and rescue.

About 16 min
Bill SimmonsLoved it

Brian shows up to Jean-Claude’s house for dinner

He names the dinner scene as his favorite and one of the great cable scenes ever.

About 24 min
Bill SimmonsLoved it

The phone speech

He treats the monologue as the movie’s signature moment and its best quote.

About 32 min
Bill SimmonsLiked it

Desk jobs make action people soft

He keeps returning to the idea that Jean-Claude’s desk work explains his incompetence and loss of instinct.

About 32 min
Bill SimmonsMixed

Taken 2

He says the sequel is watchable but not as exciting because it gives Liam Neeson a more conventional enemy structure.

About 40 min
Bill SimmonsLoved it

Casting surprise

He argues the movie benefits from casting a respected dramatic actor in an action role that would otherwise be forgettable.

About 8 min
Bill SimmonsLoved it

Jean-Claude’s wife getting shot in the arm

He loves the shock of the gunshot and the line about it being a flesh wound.

About 24 min
Bill SimmonsLiked it

Kidnapped and other Taken derivatives

He views Taken as a template that spawned later kidnapping/revenge movies and streaming-era genre content.

About 1:04
6 ThemesThe larger ideas in the discussion

The “five o’clocker” action movie

They define a perfect after-work action movie as something simple, satisfying, and requiring little brainpower, with Taken as the exemplar.

Opening minutes

Unexpected casting as a source of freshness

The movie works because an acclaimed dramatic actor is cast in a role nobody expected him to play.

About 8 min

The old-school one-man-against-the-world action formula

They connect Taken to 1980s and 1990s action heroes who take on impossible odds for personal reasons.

Opening minutes

Father-daughter protection fantasy

The movie is framed as a fantasy of paternal competence and responsibility, even though it is extreme and unrealistic.

About 16 min

Behind-the-desk corruption/softness

Jean-Claude’s desk job is treated as a warning that distance from action dulls instincts and skill.

About 32 min

Genre afterlife and streaming-era resurgence

They argue Taken helped pave the way for a wave of streaming-friendly action and romance movies tailored to repeat viewing.

About 1:04
18 Facts and referencesProduction notes and other movies mentioned

Production note

Liam Neeson reportedly spent four months in Paris and learned karate for the role.

About 40 min

Production note

Taken led to two sequels and a 2017 NBC series.

Opening minutes

Production note

The movie is described as having made $226 million and getting a 58% Rotten Tomatoes score.

Opening minutes

Production note

The opening trailer reportedly used most of the phone speech.

About 8 min

Production note

Liam Neeson is described as 6'4" and physically imposing.

About 8 min

Production note

Famke Janssen later became a UN goodwill ambassador.

About 48 min

Mentioned with uncertainty

Maggie Grace’s running style is discussed as if she had been trained to run younger.

About 48 min · medium confidence

Production note

The map in Brian’s hand shows a pre-dissolution European political map.

About 1:04

John Wick

Used as a comparison point for modern action movies and as an example of a later, more elaborated action world.

Opening minutes

First Blood

Referenced as an earlier example of the surprise-drama-to-action transformation.

About 8 min

The Equalizer

Brought up as a five-word action pitch: Denzel kills a bunch of dudes in a Home Depot.

About 16 min

Con Air

Mentioned as another Nick Cage action movie they expect to do on the podcast.

Opening minutes

Schindler’s List

Used to underline how unexpected Liam Neeson’s action turn felt.

About 8 min

Love Actually

Part of the list of dramatic roles that made Neeson seem unfit for action stardom.

About 8 min

Beverly Hills Cop

Referenced for a clever break-in trick with a gum wrapper.

About 24 min

Furious 7

Used as a metaphor for a child running without brakes.

About 48 min

Wanted

Referenced as a failed attempt at a hidden-assassin-world movie because it overexplains itself.

About 1:04

Braven

Mentioned as a solid, streaming-friendly five o'clocker starring Jason Momoa.

About 1:04
11 Running jokes and short linesRecurring bits captured from the conversation

Five o'clocker

A recurring joke/label for simple, satisfying after-work action movies that require little thought.

Opening minutes

Bad-guy card table

They joke that action-movie villains are always seated around cards before the hero arrives.

About 48 min

Desk-softness

Sitting behind a desk is treated as the cause of Jean-Claude’s incompetence and loss of edge.

About 32 min

Good luck

The line becomes a tiny performance challenge and a recurring quote from the movie.

About 32 min

Half-assed internet research

They read off trivia and questionable production facts with mock-seriousness.

About 40 min

FOH army / call in the troops

They joke that if a kid were kidnapped, Bill could mobilize his community for help.

About 16 min

Bill Simmons

“I will find you, and I will kill you.”
About 32 min

Bill Simmons

“Now's not the time for dick measuring”
About 56 min

Bill Simmons

“It's a flesh wound”
About 24 min

Bill Simmons

“That is what happens when you sit behind a desk.”
About 48 min

Bill Simmons

“Denzel kills a bunch of dudes in a Home Depot”
About 16 min

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UNITED STATES

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