The episode argues that Risky Business is much more than an 80s teen sex comedy: it is a stylish, perceptive satire about capitalism, sexuality, and American ambition that helped launch Tom Cruise, Rebecca De Mornay, and several supporting players. The hosts praise its direction, soundtrack, Chicago setting, and unusually sharp writing, while also debating the movie’s ending and whether Lana is conning Joel.
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01The movie merges teen comedy with a more serious, stylish satirical vision, so it rewards repeat viewing beyond the jokes. About 8 min
02Tom Cruise, Rebecca De Mornay, and the supporting cast are seen as star-making, with Cruise especially singled out as electric. About 16 min
03The soundtrack and sound design lock the film into 1983 and remain iconic, especially Tangerine Dream and the Old Time Rock and Roll scene. About 16 min
04The movie delivers a series of memorable shocks and reversals: the sex scene, the Porsche going into the lake, the party, and the car chase. About 48 min
05Its lines and character banter are highly rewatchable, especially Miles’s jokes and the repeated 'what the fuck' philosophy. About 40 min
WHAT DID NOT WORK
Their main criticisms
moderateThe happy ending is seen as more commercial and less satisfying than Paul Brickman’s original ending. About 32 min
minorThe logistics of the final house-cleanup and the Porsche recovery stretch plausibility. About 48 min
minorMiles is viewed by one of the hosts as a terrible friend who undermines Joel at every turn. About 1:04
minorSome elements have aged oddly, including the male name 'Joel,' the savings-bond money, and the airport-dropoff premise. About 56 min
SCENES THEY KEPT COMING BACK TO
Standout moments
Favorite
Opening poker/banter scene
The opening group banter sets the tone with fast, funny dialogue and establishes the friend dynamic.
About 32 min Favorite
First sex scene with Lana
Praised for its visual style, symbolic flourishes, and Cruise/De Mornay chemistry.
About 8 min Favorite
Old Time Rock and Roll dance sequence
Iconic improvised dance scene that has become the movie’s most famous image, though the hosts think it overshadows other great material.
About 40 min Favorite
Car chase with Guido
The Porsche chase produces some of the film’s funniest lines and a very energetic burst of action.
About 48 min Favorite
Porsche rolling into the lake
A major shock beat that shifts the movie into deeper trouble and sets up the final scramble.
About 40 min Favorite
Party and college interview sequence
The house party and Rutherford’s late-night interview create a surreal, comedic collision of adults, teens, and sex work.
About 48 min positive
Final restaurant ending
The ending at the John Hancock Tower is discussed as either too soft or appropriately hopeful, depending on which cut one prefers.
About 32 min
WHERE THEY DISAGREED
The biggest debates
No final agreement About 24 min
Was Lana conning Joel from the start?
Bill Simmons
Leans toward yes or at least toward intentional ambiguity, citing her behavior and the car in the lake.
Chris Ryan
Thinks she is transactional and ambiguous but not clearly part of a fully planned con.
They partly agreed About 32 min
Which ending is better?
Bill Simmons
Prefers the released happy ending but still likes the original ending.
Chris Ryan
Thinks the new ending is sweeter and acceptable, while acknowledging the original is strong.
No final agreement About 1:04
Is Miles a sociopath or just funny?
Bill Simmons
Sees Miles as a potentially terrible friend who keeps undermining Joel.
Chris Ryan
Finds Miles hilarious but weirdly older and maybe more sinister than the performance suggests.
They partly agreed About 40 min
How central is the dance scene?
Bill Simmons
Treats it as iconic but not the film’s whole identity.
Craig Horlbeck
Says the scene is overshadowed and not even top 10 in the movie.
12 People discussedActors, directors, writers, and producers
very favorablePaul BrickmanBill Simmons: Celebrated as a major talent whose original ending and overall sensibility gave the film its depth. About 32 min
mixedDavid GeffenBill Simmons: Credited with helping get the film made and pushing for the happier ending that tested better. About 32 min
favorableCurtis ArmstrongChris Ryan: Praised as a scene-stealer playing Miles, though one host also sees the character as a bad friend. About 8 min
Thinks the score is so good it could improve almost any movie.
About 56 min
5 ThemesThe larger ideas in the discussion
Capitalism and ambition
The hosts read Joel’s entrepreneurial logic as a teenage version of 1980s market thinking, turning sex and hustling into a business model.
About 8 min
American dream hollowing out
They describe the film as a satire about the empty promises and pressures of the American dream.
About 8 min
Fantasy versus reality
The movie is discussed as blurring Joel’s fantasy life and actual experience, especially in the sex and money sequences.
About 1:12
Sex, money, and transaction
Lana and Joel are both framed as people trying to make money, creating an ambiguous romantic-transactional dynamic.
About 24 min
Teen male identity
The hosts focus on Joel’s transition from awkward kid to a more adult, performative persona, with Cruise’s face and body language doing a lot of the work.
About 16 min
25 Facts and referencesProduction notes and other movies mentioned
Production note
The original working title was 'White Boys Off the Lake.'
About 1:12
Production note
The movie’s original ending was darker and was changed after test screenings pushed for a happier version.
About 32 min
Production note
The movie made about $63.5 million on a $6.2 million budget.
About 32 min
Production note
David Geffen reportedly suggested raising Lana’s age to 21 to make the project easier to sell.
About 24 min
Production note
Cruise was 20 during filming and reportedly worked out, then adjusted his body to look younger.
About 1:12
Production note
Four 1978 Porsche 928s were used in the movie, and one later sold for about $2 million.
About 1:12
Production note
Ray-Ban Wayfarer sales reportedly skyrocketed after the movie.
About 56 min
Production note
The film’s score is by Tangerine Dream and the hosts consider it peak work from them.
About 16 min
Disputed in the episode
Rick Springfield's 'Jessie's Girl' is not actually in the film, though other 80s songs are discussed.
About 16 min · low confidence
Production note
Nicholas Pryor plays Joel’s father and later became Chancellor Arnold on Beverly Hills, 90210.
About 1:04
The Graduate
Used by Ebert and the hosts as a comparison for the film’s satire and generational anxiety.
About 32 min
Thief
Used to describe the movie’s style as if Michael Mann had made a horny teen comedy.
About 8 min
Fast Times at Ridgemont High
Discussed as the other major teen movie of the era, but less stylized than Risky Business.
About 8 min
Porky's
Used as shorthand for cruder teen sex comedies that Risky Business transcended.
About 8 min
All the Right Moves
Mentioned as Cruise’s next movie and as another 80s title with similar class-and-ambition themes.
About 8 min
Trading Places
Cited as one of several 1983 films about unfairness, money, and social mobility.
About 16 min
Flashdance
Used in a 1983 pop-culture roundup and as another story about escape and ambition.
About 16 min
Ferris Bueller's Day Off
Compared as a suburban Chicago peer movie and as a thematic opposite in attitude.
About 48 min
Eyes Wide Shut
Offered as a speculative sequel/prequel connection based on Cruise’s character arc and curiosity about sex and mystery.
About 1:12
Roadhouse
Mentioned in a joking discussion of Rebecca De Mornay roles and movie month ideas.
About 24 min
The Color of Money
Referenced in connection with Cruise’s early stardom and Bruce A. Young’s later role.
About 16 min
Miami Vice
Used as a comparison for the film’s style and for Phil Collins’s In the Air Tonight association.
About 16 min
The Big Chill
Part of the hosts’ 1983 pop-culture roundup.
About 16 min
Scarface
Part of the 1983 pop-culture roundup and class/wealth discussion.
About 16 min
The Blues Brothers
Mentioned as another huge marketing driver for Ray-Ban Wayfarers.
About 56 min
10 Running jokes and short linesRecurring bits captured from the conversation
'What the fuck' as life advice
Miles’s speech about freedom, opportunity, and taking a risk becomes a recurring philosophy bit.
About 32 min
No-future / enterprise / money jokes
They repeatedly riff on Joel turning adolescent lust into a business venture and call it a teen version of capitalism.
About 16 min
Chicago suburb geography
They joke about the houses in Risky Business and Ferris Bueller being near each other in Highland Park.
About 1:12
Craig Horlbeck reaction insert
Craig’s taped reaction emphasizes how the movie would have been life-changing for him as a teen.
About 1:20
'Sex Work Month' riff
The hosts jokingly suggest a theme month for movies involving prostitution and transactional sex.
About 24 min
Bill Simmons
“the Babe Ruth of the rewatchables”
About 8 min
Chris Ryan
“What a capitalist”
About 24 min
Bill Simmons
“I've got a trig midterm tomorrow”
About 48 min
Bill Simmons
“There is no substitute.”
About 48 min
Chris Ryan
“sometimes you just gotta say what the fuck”
About 32 min
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UNITED STATES
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