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THE REWATCHABLES · September 15, 2026

Rambo: First Blood Part II

A 1985 action / adventure / thriller / war movie directed by George P. Cosmatos—and decision no. 127 in the Hanks–Cruise tape.

ActionAdventureThrillerWar1980sDirected by George P. Cosmatos
Rambo: First Blood Part II1985MOVIE
Podcast episode#470No. 481 overall
Movie year19851980s release
Tomatometer33%No. 118 of 128 tracked
Metacritic47View score
Roger Ebert—No review recorded
State of the raceCruise led by 459–63 · 5 ties

FROM THE CONVERSATION

What they said about the movie

The episode argues that Rambo: First Blood Part II is a huge, very 1985 action movie that helped define the Cold War-era spectacle/action formula. The hosts mostly celebrate its absurdity, physical excess, and unintentional comedy while also noting its place in Stallone’s peak year and the Reagan-era pop-cultural moment.
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In this conversation
Bill SimmonsKyle Brandt

WHY IT WORKS

What made it rewatchable

  1. 01The opening sets the premise immediately and is seen as a great pre-credit kickoff. Opening minutes
  2. 02Stallone’s physicality and commitment make the movie fun to watch, especially his shredded look and big action poses. About 8 min
  3. 03The movie’s unintentional comedy factor has increased over time, making adult rewatches especially funny. Opening minutes
  4. 04The mud emergence and jungle kill sequence turns the film into a slasher-style run of payoff scenes. About 32 min
  5. 05Troutman’s hype-man presence gives the movie a recurring pleasure similar to a wrestling manager. About 48 min

WHAT DID NOT WORK

Their main criticisms

  1. moderateThe movie is politically and narratively thin compared with First Blood, which had more substance. Opening minutes
  2. moderateStallone’s acting is described as underacting or too monosyllabic in places. About 16 min
  3. moderateSeveral plot mechanics are implausible, especially the helicopter/POW operation and how the captors handle Rambo. About 32 min
  4. minorThe ending song/soft emotional wrap-up is awkward after the carnage. About 40 min
  5. minorThe video game tie-in is called disappointing and terrible. About 48 min

SCENES THEY KEPT COMING BACK TO

Standout moments

Favorite

Opening prison-camp setup and title card

The film’s opening explosion and prison-camp introduction are praised for instantly setting the premise and mood.

Opening minutes
positive

Rambo’s helicopter jump mishap

The ill-fated plane insertion and gear snag are treated as exciting, funny chaos that kicks off the mission.

About 32 min
mixed

Pontoon-boat romance with Co

The flirtation is funny and corny, with giant knife symbolism and awkward dialogue.

About 32 min
Favorite

Camp ambush and grenade-launcher kill run

Rambo’s jungle rampage after Co is killed is described as the movie’s peak escalation.

About 32 min
Favorite

Mud emergence ambush

Rambo rising from the mud to kill a soldier is singled out as the movie’s coolest visual beat.

About 32 min
Favorite

Helicopter attack and rocket-launcher takedown

The helicopter showdown is treated as an absurdly thrilling climax, especially with Rambo shooting the helicopter and shouting.

About 40 min
Favorite

Murdoch’s office destruction

Rambo’s final destruction of Murdoch’s office is cheered as a satisfying payoff.

About 40 min
mixed

Final rescue and ending walkaway

The POW rescue and farewell speech are admired, but the closing Frank Stallone song undercuts the ending.

About 48 min

WHERE THEY DISAGREED

The biggest debates

They agreed Opening minutes

What should the movie have been titled?

Bill Simmons

It should have been called Rambo 2, with First Blood reserved for the first film.

Kyle Brandt

Agrees and says Stallone later wished he had rebranded the first one as Rambo.

They partly agreed About 24 min

Did James Cameron’s original draft matter or get overwritten?

Bill Simmons

Suggests Cameron’s draft had more politics and structure, but Stallone took over creatively.

Kyle Brandt

Says Cameron’s politics were not what Stallone wanted and implies the script changed substantially.

They agreed Opening minutes

Is the movie more comic than serious?

Bill Simmons

Treats it as a hilarious, almost accidental comedy in many spots.

Kyle Brandt

Agrees and says the comedy factor has grown over time.

They partly agreed About 1:12

Was Murdoch or the villains convincing?

Bill Simmons

Likes Murdoch as a classic villain but thinks the Russian antagonist is underdeveloped.

Kyle Brandt

Agrees Murdoch is stronger and that the Soviet bad guy is mostly generic.

They agreed About 1:20

How should the sequel series have evolved?

Bill Simmons

Would have moved Rambo toward a domestic action framework like Die Hard or Sudden Death.

Kyle Brandt

Would also have brought the character back to America and tied sequels to the original film’s world.

15 People discussedActors, directors, writers, and producers
very favorableSylvester StalloneBill Simmons: Praised as the driving force behind the movie, absurdly ripped, and at his 1985 apex, though also mocked for underacting and later distancing himself from the film. About 8 min neutralArnold SchwarzeneggerBill Simmons: Used as Stallone’s rival and contrast point in the action-star wars. Opening minutes favorableRichard CrennaKyle Brandt: Praised as Troutman, the perfect older mentor/hype-man who rep lines and supports Rambo. About 16 min mixedMartin KoveBill Simmons: Referenced both as Murdoch and via his other famous role; Murdoch is a strong villain but also sweaty and cowardly. About 16 min
favorableStephen BerkoffBill Simmons: Identified as a reliable 80s heavy who plays the Russian antagonist in this film and other big movies. About 24 min
favorableJerry GoldsmithBill Simmons: Cited as the composer of the score. About 24 min mixedFrank StalloneBill Simmons: His end-song is mocked as a bad needle drop, though the hosts acknowledge the family-bone aspect. About 48 min mixedJames CameronBill Simmons: Mentioned as the original screenwriter whose draft included more politics and a different structure, but the hosts suggest Stallone overrode him. About 24 min neutralGeorge P. CosmatosBill Simmons: Named as the credited director, though the hosts imply Stallone effectively controlled the film. About 24 min neutralDolph LundgrenBill Simmons: Mentioned only as a casting note connected to another Stallone film. About 1:12 · medium confidence
neutralLee MarvinBill Simmons: Mentioned as an earlier casting possibility for Troutman. About 1:12
favorableJohn TravoltaBill Simmons: Cited as a bizarre but intriguing proposed sidekick for Rambo. About 1:12 favorableCharles NapierBill Simmons: Held up as a quintessential that-guy character actor with many memorable villain and authority roles. About 16 min
favorableJulia NixonBill Simmons: Praised as very attractive and effective as Co, the jungle ally and love interest. About 24 min
neutralCliff WengerBill Simmons: Named as the special-effects crew member who died during production. About 48 min
14 Conversation takesSpeakers shown only where the transcript identifies them
Bill SimmonsLiked it

Rambo: First Blood Part II as a title

Argues the film should have simply been called Rambo 2 and that the franchise branding should have started earlier.

Opening minutes
Kyle BrandtLoved it

Rambo: First Blood Part II

Calls it a hilarious, extremely entertaining action movie with huge childhood nostalgia value.

Opening minutes
Bill SimmonsMixed

the film’s politics

Says the movie is barely about anything politically compared with First Blood, but still a fun Cold War artifact.

Opening minutes
Bill SimmonsLoved it

Sylvester Stallone

Sees Stallone’s performance as a caricature done with total commitment and admires the physique and swagger.

About 8 min
Kyle BrandtLiked it

Sylvester Stallone

Says Stallone’s vanity and desire to look great on camera are part of the appeal, even if the performance is underacted.

About 8 min
Bill SimmonsLoved it

Troutman

Treats Troutman as a perfect hype-man/manager character who constantly vouches for Rambo.

About 16 min
Kyle BrandtLiked it

Rambo meeting Murdoch and Troutman

Likes the resume-style introductions and the way the film reads out Rambo’s credentials like a scouting report.

About 1:12
Bill SimmonsLoved it

mud emergence kill sequence

Calls the mud-ambush moment one of the coolest images and the point where the movie becomes a slasher-like action frenzy.

About 32 min
Kyle BrandtLiked it

Rambo and Co on the pontoon boat

Enjoys the corny romantic dialogue and the absurd giant-knife flirting device.

About 32 min
Bill SimmonsLiked it

Rambo and the POW rescue/extraction

Thinks the rescue mission setup and helicopter action are thrilling even when the plot logic is shaky.

About 32 min
Kyle BrandtLiked it

Predator

Argues Predator copies a lot from this movie’s jungle-mission structure, making the rivalry even more apparent.

About 1:04
Bill SimmonsLoved it

First Blood

Says First Blood remains the better, more substantive film and recommends it as the ideal double feature lead-in.

About 1:20
Kyle BrandtMixed

the sequel trilogy direction

Says he would have preferred later Rambo films to move toward home-front, Die Hard-style setups rather than increasingly geopolitical plots.

About 1:20
Bill SimmonsLiked it

Steve Williams / Lifer

Is fascinated by the one-credit mystery actor and considers the role memorable despite the lack of available information.

About 24 min
5 ThemesThe larger ideas in the discussion

Cold War pop culture

The film is framed as part of the Reagan-era/anti-Soviet cultural peak, alongside other 1980s media and wrestling moments.

Opening minutes

Stallone versus Schwarzenegger rivalry

The movie is treated as part of the Sly/Arnold action-hero competition and as a defining stage in that rivalry.

Opening minutes

Branded hero mythology

The hosts argue the film helped transform Rambo from a character in First Blood into a standalone franchise brand.

Opening minutes

Action-movie excess as pleasure

The appeal comes from explosions, ripped bodies, giant knives, machine-gun poses, and big spectacle rather than realism.

About 24 min

Villainy and bureaucracy

Murdoch and the Soviet adversaries are treated as classic 80s bad guys, with Murdoch singled out as a cowardly bureaucrat.

About 1:12
24 Facts and referencesProduction notes and other movies mentioned

Production note

The film was nominated for Best Sound Effects Editing and also won Worst Picture at the Razzies.

About 24 min

Production note

It was the first film to appear in 2,000-plus U.S. theaters.

About 24 min

Production note

The movie was banned in the Soviet Union.

About 48 min

Production note

The home video release sold 425,000 units on opening day.

About 48 min

Production note

A special-effects crew member, Cliff Wenger, died during waterfall work on the shoot.

About 48 min

Production note

The film’s original script title was First Blood 2: The Mission.

About 24 min

Production note

Cameron allegedly wrote the draft while also working on Terminator and Aliens.

About 24 min

Production note

Rambo’s file is read aloud with a detailed résumé, including 59 confirmed kills.

About 1:12

Production note

Stallone later ranked this as his least favorite Rambo film.

About 16 min

Production note

The hosts claim there was an early cut where Co’s death made test audiences laugh because Rambo screamed ‘No!’ three times.

About 48 min · medium confidence

Rocky IV

Used as the closest Stallone comparison for empty spectacle and Cold War excess.

Opening minutes

Commando

Used to place the film in the Stallone/Arnold rivalry and action-style shift.

Opening minutes

Red Dawn

Cited as another key Cold War pop-culture artifact from the same era.

Opening minutes

The Day After

Mentioned as part of the early-80s nuclear anxiety backdrop.

About 8 min

WarGames

Mentioned as another 1980s Cold War-era title leading into Rambo’s moment.

About 8 min

Reagan

Referenced as the political backdrop and a public figure who turned Rambo into a symbol.

Opening minutes

Ghostbusters

Used in the HBO mystery-movie anecdote and as a major 1984-85 pop hit.

About 8 min

Russians

Sting’s song is used to illustrate the Cold War atmosphere of the period.

About 8 min

Hulk Hogan / Real American

Used to describe how 1985 action and patriotism converged in pop culture.

About 8 min

Cobra

Referenced as another Stallone character brand exercise and comic-action cousin to this film.

About 16 min

The Expendables

Mentioned as a later Stallone franchise idea that may trace back to Rambo’s team-up ideas.

About 32 min · medium confidence

Predator

Kyle argues it borrows heavily from this film’s jungle-rescue template and mud camouflage idea.

About 1:04

UHF

Referenced as a parody that captures the film’s jungle action beats.

About 32 min

Missing in Action

Used as a comparison point for similar POW-rescue plots and 80s cable rewatchability.

About 48 min
12 Running jokes and short linesRecurring bits captured from the conversation

Indoors aviator guy

A deep dive into the mysterious one-credit actor Steve Williams, remembered only as the sunglasses-wearing Lifer.

About 24 min

Troutman as wrestling manager

Troutman is repeatedly framed as a pro-wrestling-style hype man for Rambo.

About 16 min

Frank Stallone award

The closing song inspires an invented award for worst needle drop.

About 48 min

Aura farming / machine-gun pose

They identify the classic 1985 action pose of carrying a big gun with bullet belts hanging out as peak coolness.

About 1:20

Resume readout

They riff on how characters in action movies often announce their files and credentials like a scouting report.

About 1:12

Murdoch’s sweat and office vibe

Murdoch’s sweaty, bunker-like office is imagined as a cool hangout spot full of odd accoutrements.

About 1:20

Sly noise / Stallone scream

They imitate Stallone’s signature vocal grunts and scream as part of his performance identity.

About 40 min

Bill Simmons

“This is Rambo 2.”
Opening minutes

Bill Simmons

“We’re gonna blow some shit up.”
Opening minutes

Kyle Brandt

“What year is it?”
About 40 min

Bill Simmons

“Do we get to win this time?”
Opening minutes

Bill Simmons

“Day by day.”
About 48 min

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