Oceans 12 — The Rewatchables Tracker

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Movie year20042000s

Tomatometer55%Critics’ score

Metacritic58View score

Roger Ebert3/4Original star rating

DirectorSteven SoderberghCrime / Comedy

FROM THE CONVERSATION

What they said about the movie

The hosts argue that Ocean's 12 is a flawed but highly rewatchable sequel: looser, more meta, more European, and more about movie-star hangout energy than clean heist mechanics. They celebrate Soderbergh's style, the ensemble chemistry, and the movie's self-aware playfulness while acknowledging that some viewers found it contrived, confusing, or self-satisfied.

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In this conversation

Chris Ryan

Sean Fennessey

Amanda Dobbins

WHY IT WORKS

What made it rewatchable

01It works as a hangout movie with low-stakes, easy-to-return-to energy. Opening minutes
02Soderbergh's visual style and European locations make it gorgeous to watch. About 8 min
03The movie is packed with movie-star chemistry and self-aware star personas. Opening minutes
04The metatextual joke of Tess being mistaken for Julia Roberts is elating and rewatchable. About 24 min
05Brad Pitt and Matt Damon give especially funny, rewatchable performances. About 8 min

WHAT DID NOT WORK

Their main criticisms

moderateThe plot can feel contrived, convoluted, and more interested in being meta than in straightforward heist logic. About 8 min
minorSome viewers may find the movie self-satisfied or navel-gazing. About 16 min
minorCatherine Zeta-Jones's character has to do work somewhat separate from the core Ocean's crew dynamics. About 48 min · medium confidence

SCENES THEY KEPT COMING BACK TO

Standout moments

positive

Opening reintroduction / Danny in the bank

The film opens by reassembling the team and shifting the movie from a hard heist setup into something looser and more international.

About 24 min

Favorite

Matsui meeting

A long overlapping-dialogue scene where almost nobody understands each other, and Damon sings Kashmir, is treated as an all-timer.

About 16 min

Favorite

Train station waiting room / 'How old do you think I am?'

The team banters about age and attitude while waiting to leave, which the hosts find very rewatchable.

About 16 min

Favorite

Tess goes to Rome / Julia Roberts impersonation

Bruce Willis and Julia Roberts play a meta celebrity trick that the hosts think is one of the boldest jokes in the film.

About 24 min

positive

Rusty and Danny drunk on red wine / Happy Days in Italian

A small hangout scene that reinforces the movie's friendship vibe and loose pacing.

About 24 min

positive

Vincent Cassel / Night Fox intro montage

Cassel's stylish introduction and capoeira work are praised as memorable villain cinema.

About 24 min · medium confidence

Favorite

Cherry Jones in the truck / jail-cell scene

The Linus's-mom reveal is singled out as one of the funniest moments in the movie.

About 16 min

Favorite

Bruce Willis hotel cameo

The publicity/celebrity self-parody exchange is treated as an all-time gag.

About 24 min

WHERE THEY DISAGREED

The biggest debates

They partly agreed About 8 min

Whether Ocean's 12 is too convoluted or self-satisfied

Chris Ryan
Some viewers find the movie confusing and self-satisfied, and that complaint is understandable.

Amanda Dobbins
Its looseness, meta tone, and absurdity are part of the point, not bugs.

They partly agreed About 48 min

Catherine Zeta-Jones's chemistry and fit

Chris Ryan
She works well and has chemistry with Pitt, though the character can feel slightly detached from the crew.

Amanda Dobbins
She fits the movie, but the story doesn't need her as much as the core ensemble.

They agreed About 1:04

Who won the movie

Chris Ryan
Soderbergh and Europe are co-winners because the direction and setting are what make the movie sing.

Amanda Dobbins
Soderbergh is the winner because the film is such a precise director's movie.

19 People discussedActors, directors, writers, and producers

very favorableSteven SoderberghChris Ryan: Praised for the film's visuals, editing, music use, and for making a smart sequel that comments on sequel logic. Opening minutes very favorableBrad PittChris Ryan: Called the peak of cool charisma here; his buzz cut, clothes, and internalized performance are repeatedly admired. About 8 min very favorableMatt DamonChris Ryan: Celebrated as the movie's funniest performer and as the most desperate character, which enhances the comedy. About 8 min favorableGeorge ClooneyChris Ryan: Acknowledged as central to the franchise, but the hosts note he is less prominent here than in Ocean's 11. About 8 min favorableJulia RobertsAmanda Dobbins: Seen as underused in Ocean's 11 but much better deployed here through the Rome impersonation gag. About 32 min mixedCatherine Zeta-JonesAmanda Dobbins: The hosts think she fits the movie's tone, though one sees her as separate from the core crew and not essential. About 48 min · medium confidence

favorableRobbie ColtraneChris Ryan: Praised as part of one of the movie's great untranslated/overlapping-dialogue scenes at Matsui's meeting. About 16 min

favorableBruce WillisChris Ryan: His cameo/publicity-biz scene in Rome is treated as one of the funniest and most rewatchable moments. About 24 min

favorableEddie IzzardSean Fennessey: Mentioned as possibly too famous for the 'that guy' category, but still part of the ensemble's pleasure. About 56 min · medium confidence

favorableAndy GarciaChris Ryan: Praised for his role as the bankable antagonist/returning presence, especially in ensemble reunion scenes. About 48 min

favorableJared HarrisChris Ryan: Mentioned fondly as Basher's engineer, an example of Soderbergh casting before broader fame. About 56 min

favorableCherry JonesChris Ryan: Her Linus's mom scene is cited as one of the funniest moments in the movie. About 16 min

favorableVincent CasselAmanda Dobbins: His capoeira choreography and stylish villain presence are admired, though one host says they only get 60% of him in English-language films. About 1:04 · medium confidence

favorableAlbert FinneyChris Ryan: Mentioned as one of the more interesting supporting presences, though mostly in passing. About 56 min · medium confidence

neutralTerry BenedictChris Ryan: Discussed as the returning antagonist who drives the sequel's reunion and revenge logic. Opening minutes

neutralGeorge NolfiChris Ryan: Named as the screenwriter and later discussed in relation to the film's self-referential plotting. Opening minutes

favorableDavid HolmesChris Ryan: His soundtrack is credited as a major part of the film's cool, European atmosphere. Opening minutes

neutralJerry WeintraubChris Ryan: Mentioned as the actorly producer cameo in the LaMarca story within the movie. About 16 min neutralMark WahlbergChris Ryan: Discussed as a rumored backup plan if Damon had dropped out. About 48 min · medium confidence

11 Conversation takesSpeakers shown only where the transcript identifies them

Amanda DobbinsLoved it

Ocean's 12 as a sequel

She argues the movie is a great sequel that comments on sequels and movie-making itself.

Opening minutes

Sean FennesseyLoved it

Ocean's 12's tone

He likes that it is loose, jazzy, and never feels desperate or serious.

Opening minutes

Chris RyanLoved it

Steven Soderbergh's direction

He says the film may be Soderbergh's best in terms of shot construction, editing patterns, and music use.

Opening minutes

Chris RyanMixed

Ocean's 12's flaws

He performs the anti-fan case: that the film is convoluted, bored with itself, and too meta for some viewers.

About 8 min

Amanda DobbinsLoved it

Rusty Ryan

She feels the film shifts the franchise toward Rusty and makes Damon central in a funny, insecure way.

About 16 min

Chris RyanLoved it

Brad Pitt's performance

He thinks Pitt is at peak charisma and that the buzz cut and wardrobe are oddly stylish.

About 16 min

Chris RyanLoved it

Matt Damon's performance

He argues Damon almost steals the movie with desperate comic timing and great chemistry with Pitt.

About 16 min

Amanda DobbinsLoved it

Tess goes to Rome sequence

She thinks the Julia Roberts impersonation gag is the movie's defining bit and one of its boldest ideas.

About 24 min

Chris RyanLoved it

Bruce Willis cameo sequence

He treats the Bruce Willis publicity scene as a brilliant fourth-wall-breaking joke.

About 24 min

Amanda DobbinsMixed

Catherine Zeta-Jones

She thinks Zeta-Jones fits the film's world but is not the main draw because she is outside the crew dynamics.

About 48 min

Sean FennesseyLoved it

George Clooney

He admires Clooney but notes the movie is less centered on him than the first Ocean's film.

About 8 min · medium confidence

5 ThemesThe larger ideas in the discussion

Sequel as commentary on sequels

The hosts think the movie knowingly escalates and riffs on sequel expectations while making that process part of the story.

Opening minutes

Movie-stars-as-text

The episode treats the film as a showcase for stars performing versions of themselves inside a constructed reality.

About 8 min

Friendship and male intimacy

The hosts see the Ocean's films as serious about friendship beneath the frothy surface.

About 8 min

Europe as cinematic mood

The movie's Amsterdam/Rome/Lake Como setting gives it a jet-lagged, melancholy, very-European atmosphere.

About 8 min

Low-stakes elegance

Its looseness is a feature: the movie is not trying to be anxious or desperate, which makes it easier to revisit.

Opening minutes

16 Facts and referencesProduction notes and other movies mentioned

Production note

Soderbergh later called Ocean's 12 one of the biggest-budget stoner movies of all time.

Opening minutes

Production note

The film was budgeted at $110 million and made $362 million worldwide.

Opening minutes

Production note

Soderbergh shot the film under the name Peter Andrews.

Opening minutes

Production note

Ocean's 12 is based on George Nolfi's spec script Honor Among Thieves.

About 56 min

Production note

Peter Fonda filmed a scene as Linus's dad but it was cut.

About 56 min · medium confidence

Production note

The movie uses a lot of title cards and non-linear timeline markers.

About 24 min

Production note

The hosts think the movie's sound design and music cues are unusually cool and international.

Opening minutes

The Third Man

Sean uses it to describe Brad Pitt's European leather-coat look.

About 16 min

The Thomas Crown Affair

Used to describe the elegant opening-bank energy and elegant criminal cool.

About 24 min

Out of Sight

Sean notes the opening bank-teller pivot echoes the beginning of Soderbergh's earlier film.

About 24 min

Curb Your Enthusiasm

Amanda uses it as an analogy for celebrity self-parody and absurd guest casting.

About 24 min

The Sixth Sense

Damon's Bruce Willis bit is described as a continuation of joking about the film's ending.

About 24 min

Inception

Chris contrasts its grave tone and lore demands with Ocean's 12's unseriousness.

About 16 min

High Fidelity

Amanda cites Zeta-Jones's cold, controlled scene as her favorite acting moment from her career.

About 48 min

Miller's Crossing

Listed among the movies referenced or evoked by the film.

About 1:04 · medium confidence

The Constant Gardener

Amanda mentions it while discussing Catherine Zeta-Jones's career.

About 48 min · medium confidence

10 Running jokes and short linesRecurring bits captured from the conversation

Bruce Bryan / ocean's 12 hater persona

Chris briefly role-plays a hyper-literal hater from the internet to make the anti-movie case.

About 8 min

Glenn Snackwell / publicity

The Bruce Willis scene generates a repeated bit about studio publicity and made-up assistants.

About 24 min

Fruit bowl / luxury aspiration

Amanda and Sean riff on the beauty of abundant fruit as a sign of opulence and domestic aspiration.

About 40 min

Message-board logic policing

The hosts joke about people over-analyzing movie logic on forums and being too literal.

About 16 min

The Night Fox / greatest thief riff

They joke about wanting to be the world's greatest podcaster like the Night Fox wants to be the world's greatest thief.

About 1:04 · medium confidence

Chris Ryan

“I want my money back.”

Opening minutes

Amanda Dobbins

“Holy shit, this is the most delightful thing”

About 24 min

Chris Ryan

“Bruce. Glenn Snackwell. Publicity.”

About 24 min

Amanda Dobbins

“We can't train a cat that quickly.”

About 48 min

Sean Fennessey

“it's just really a fun hang”

Opening minutes

MAKE IT A MOVIE NIGHT

Where to watch

UNITED STATES

Checking where Oceans 12 is available…

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