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THE REWATCHABLES · December 29, 2016

Moneyball

A 2011 sports / drama directed by Bennett Miller, covered in the complete Rewatchables archive.

SportsDrama2010sDirected by Bennett Miller

ON THIS EPISODE

Overall episode#3Source sheet order
Movie year20112010s
Tomatometer94%Critics’ score
Metacritic87View score
Roger Ebert4/4Original star rating
DirectorBennett MillerSports / Drama

FROM THE CONVERSATION

What they said about the movie

The episode argues that Moneyball is one of the best and most rewatchable sports movies of the 21st century because it turns a complicated baseball innovation story into a character-driven, highly entertaining movie. The hosts praise Brad Pitt, the writing, the buddy dynamic, and the way the film explains advanced stats while still delivering emotional and dramatic payoff, even as they acknowledge factual liberties.
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Bill SimmonsChris Ryan

WHY IT WORKS

What made it rewatchable

  1. 01Brad Pitt’s star presence makes even simple actions mesmerizing and easy to revisit. About 8 min
  2. 02The film mixes sports strategy, office dialogue, and emotional family material in a way that reveals itself over time. About 8 min
  3. 03The Pitt-Hill pairing functions as a great buddy movie dynamic. About 24 min
  4. 04It contains at least one genuine chill scene, especially the late-game Hatteberg home run and win streak montage. About 16 min

WHAT DID NOT WORK

Their main criticisms

  1. moderateThe movie compresses and alters real baseball history, especially around Carlos Peña, Chad Bradford, and Art Howe. About 24 min
  2. minorThe John Henry/Fenway material is a stretch and feels less realistic than the Oakland material. About 16 min
  3. minorThe movie’s ending is awkward because the A’s were ultimately smoked in the playoffs. About 16 min
  4. minorSome characterizations, especially of scouts and Art Howe, are intentionally unfavorable and possibly unfair. About 32 min

SCENES THEY KEPT COMING BACK TO

Standout moments

positive

Opening A’s-Yankees 2001 playoff setup

The film’s opening establishes the payroll gap and pits Pitt alone in the stadium against the inevitability of the Yankees.

Opening minutes
mixed

Billy Beane meetings with scouts

Office confrontations show Beane’s anger at old baseball thinking and the scouts’ resistance to analytics.

About 32 min
positive

Jonah Hill explaining runs and wins

The film turns advanced stats into clear dialogue for a mainstream audience.

About 8 min
positive

Beane’s trip to Cleveland for Rincone

A tense trade negotiation scene becomes a study in office maneuvering and front-office power.

About 16 min
Favorite

Billy Beane discovers the daughter singing

The father-daughter store scene provides the film’s emotional pivot.

About 32 min
Favorite

The 20-game win streak climax

The montage and Hatteberg home run deliver the movie’s biggest payoff.

About 16 min
mixed

Fenway / Red Sox coda

The Red Sox material provides a second ending but stretches realism more than the rest of the film.

About 16 min

WHERE THEY DISAGREED

The biggest debates

They agreed Opening minutes

Best sports movie of the century

Bill Simmons

Says Moneyball is probably the best sports movie of the 21st century and certainly the most rewatchable.

Chris Ryan

Agrees and says it is the best sports movie of the century.

They partly agreed About 24 min

How much factual liberty a sports movie can take

Bill Simmons

Believes the dramatization is forgivable because the movie works and baseball fans should move on.

Chris Ryan

Acknowledges accuracy concerns but focuses on the film’s bigger thematic achievement.

No final agreement About 32 min

Whether scouts are fairly represented

Bill Simmons

Thinks the movie intentionally offensive to scouts but dramatically effective.

Chris Ryan

Raises the question of whether the portrayal is offensive to scouts.

They agreed About 40 min

Oscar result for Brad Pitt

Bill Simmons

Argues Pitt should have won and is baffled that The Artist prevailed.

Chris Ryan

Shares the disbelief at the result.

16 People discussedActors, directors, writers, and producers
very favorableBrad PittBill Simmons: Praised as a movie star who can anchor the film and as one of the great two-person actors; his performance is described as perfect for Billy Beane. About 8 min favorableJonah HillBill Simmons: Praised for making advanced baseball analytics understandable and for holding his own against Pitt. About 8 min very favorablePhilip Seymour HoffmanBill Simmons: Admired for his scenes as Art Howe and for bringing a memorable, odd, richly acted manager persona. About 16 min
favorableBennett MillerBill Simmons: Credited with helping the film come together after the Soderbergh version collapsed. About 8 min
neutralSteven SoderberghBill Simmons: Discussed mainly as the original attached director whose more experimental version never got made. About 8 min favorableAaron SorkinBill Simmons: Praised for elevating office dialogue and helping shape the screenplay. About 16 min favorableSteven ZaillianBill Simmons: Mentioned as a major writer involved in the screenplay’s development. About 8 min favorableChris PrattBill Simmons: Mentioned approvingly as Scott Hatteberg and as an example of an actor whose later market value would make the movie expensive today. About 24 min neutralRobin WrightBill Simmons: Discussed as Billy Beane’s ex-wife and part of the family storyline. About 32 min neutralSpike JonzeBill Simmons: Referenced as Robin Wright’s new husband in the film. About 32 min
mixedJohn HenryBill Simmons: Used as an example of the film’s exaggerated Red Sox material and discussed as a stretch portrayal. About 16 min
favorableBilly BeaneBill Simmons: Presented as a smart, instinctive innovator who rebels against baseball orthodoxy. About 8 min
neutralPaul DePodestaBill Simmons: Referenced as the real-life figure behind Jonah Hill’s character and as someone who removed his name from the movie. About 8 min
mixedArt HoweBill Simmons: Discussed as a manager who may have been unfairly portrayed as a dolt and who allegedly disliked the film. About 16 min
neutralDerek JeterBill Simmons: Used in a comparison about early sabermetric skepticism and player evaluation. About 40 min
neutralTheo EpsteinBill Simmons: Mentioned as part of the front-office analytics lineage that followed Moneyball. About 16 min
12 Conversation takesSpeakers shown only where the transcript identifies them
Bill SimmonsLoved it

Moneyball as a sports movie

Calls it probably the best sports movie of the 21st century and one of the most rewatchable movies overall.

Opening minutes
Bill SimmonsLiked it

Creed

Says Creed has a chance to join the rewatchable sports-movie canon but is not yet at Moneyball’s level.

Opening minutes
Bill SimmonsLoved it

Brad Pitt’s star acting

Argues Pitt’s magnetism is essential to the film and that lesser actors could not make the radio-flipping opening scene work the same way.

About 8 min
Bill SimmonsLiked it

Jonah Hill’s explanatory dialogue

Likes how Hill explains analytics clearly to non-experts while keeping the movie entertaining.

About 8 min
Bill SimmonsLoved it

Billy Beane meeting the daughter at the store

Treats the father-daughter guitar moment as one of the movie’s most effective emotional scenes.

About 32 min
Bill SimmonsLoved it

Hatteberg home run / win streak climax

Calls the late-game sequence a true chill scene and a key rewatchable payoff.

About 16 min
Bill SimmonsLoved it

Philip Seymour Hoffman as Art Howe

Enjoys Hoffman’s performance as a strange, layered, highly watchable manager.

About 16 min
Bill SimmonsDid not like it

scouts

Finds the scout characterizations intentionally outdated and insulting but effective.

About 32 min
Bill SimmonsMixed

The film’s accuracy

Accepts the factual liberties as long as the movie works emotionally and dramatically.

About 24 min
Bill SimmonsLiked it

Brad Pitt’s career

Argues Pitt overachieved as a movie star relative to his pure acting gifts by leaning into charisma and pairing well with other actors.

About 40 min
Bill SimmonsLiked it

The Big Short

Sees it as Moneyball’s spiritual successor in explaining a complex system to a mass audience.

About 32 min
Bill SimmonsDid not like it

Million Dollar Baby

Uses it as a contrast example of an awards movie he would never want to rewatch.

About 48 min
5 ThemesThe larger ideas in the discussion

Innovation versus convention

The central idea is that the film is about trying a different way to run a baseball team and challenging how sports are traditionally understood.

About 8 min

Advanced statistics made accessible

The film breaks down a complicated analytics concept for a broad audience without becoming inaccessible.

About 8 min

Buddy partnership

The Pitt-Hill relationship gives the movie momentum and emotional clarity.

About 24 min

Family and personal stakes

The daughter subplot gives Billy Beane an emotional layer beyond baseball.

About 32 min

Sports-business evolution

The episode places Moneyball in a larger history of sports movies and sports strategy becoming more niche and more data-driven.

Opening minutes
21 Facts and referencesProduction notes and other movies mentioned

Production note

An early version of Moneyball was planned as a more documentary-like hybrid with real people playing themselves.

About 8 min

Production note

Soderbergh was reportedly deep into prep and had about $10 million sunk into the project before leaving.

About 8 min

Production note

Brad Pitt was originally attached with Demetri Martin as the Paul DePodesta character.

About 8 min

Production note

Jonah Hill’s character is based on Paul DePodesta, who reportedly took his name off the movie.

About 8 min

Production note

The film uses several real baseball figures and teams from the 2001-2002 A’s/Yankees era.

Opening minutes

Production note

The episode treats the 20-game win streak and Hatteberg’s homer as the film’s biggest payoff.

About 16 min

The Watch

Bill mentions talking with Sean about rewatchability on The Watch.

Opening minutes

Rounders

Used as a comparison for a movie that is expert enough to feel cool but still understandable.

About 8 min

Jerry Maguire

Referenced as an early example of a sports-business movie.

Opening minutes

The Damned United

Used as an example of a later, more specific sports movie style.

Opening minutes

Draft Day

Mentioned as a sports-business movie whose realism bothered Bill more than Moneyball did.

About 16 min

The Wire

Used to describe how experts react when fiction gets technical details wrong.

About 16 min

Friday Night Lights

Used as a comparison for predictable but emotionally strong sports storytelling.

Opening minutes

Oceans 11

Cited as an example of Pitt simply being a movie star.

About 8 min

True Romance

Referenced as one of Pitt’s definitive early performances.

About 40 min

Fight Club

Mentioned as a major Pitt role and as a cable staple that has not aged as expected in their view.

About 40 min

The Big Short

Cited as a spiritual successor to Moneyball in explaining complex systems to a general audience.

About 32 min

Miracle

Used as an example of a sports story that might work better as a documentary today.

About 40 min

The Artist

Referenced as the film that won the Oscar over Pitt.

About 40 min

Seven Years in Tibet

Used in a discussion of Pitt’s less effective serious roles.

About 40 min

White Men Can't Jump

Cited as the film that reinvented Woody Harrelson’s career.

About 48 min
9 Running jokes and short linesRecurring bits captured from the conversation

Pronunciation joke about niche

They laugh about how each says niche differently and joke about being bad pronouncers.

Opening minutes

Office-movie/meeting banter

They repeatedly imitate front-office calls and office logistics as if they are part of the movie’s comedy.

About 16 min

Brad Pitt as just a movie star

They keep returning to the idea that Pitt can succeed simply by being a charismatic star on camera.

About 8 min

Sports-movie chill scene test

They discuss the idea that great sports movies need one moment that gives chills and justifies rewatches.

About 16 min

Pitt career ranking exercise

They spend a long stretch ranking Pitt’s career and debating whether he overachieved or underachieved.

About 40 min

Bill Simmons

“the best sports movie of the 21st century”
Opening minutes

Bill Simmons

“buy wins. In order to buy wins”
About 8 min

Bill Simmons

“his dick has already been there”
About 32 min

Bill Simmons

“You can't win! You cannot lose.”
About 48 min

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WHAT TO WATCH NEXT

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Three movies to watch before Moneyball, and three to watch next.

Finding six movies…Three to watch first and three to watch next.
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