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THE REWATCHABLES · October 27, 2025

Halloween II

A 1981 horror / slasher movie directed by Rick Rosenthal—and decision no. 79 in the Hanks–Cruise tape.

HorrorSlasher1980sDirected by Rick Rosenthal
Halloween II1981MOVIE
Podcast episode#418No. 429 overall
Movie year19811980s release
Tomatometer27%No. 122 of 128 tracked
Metacritic40View score
Roger Ebert2/4Original star rating
State of the raceHanks led by 240–38 · 1 tie

FROM THE CONVERSATION

What they said about the movie

The episode argues that Halloween II works best as a compressed same-night sequel: not especially scary now, but extremely rewatchable because of its absurd logic, relentless pacing, and accidental comedy. The hosts praise the hospital setting, Loomis’s manic behavior, and several over-the-top kills, while criticizing the Laurie sister retcon and some awkward sequel choices.
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WHY IT WORKS

What made it rewatchable

  1. 01It keeps the action on the same Halloween night, preserving the first film’s compressed urgency. Opening minutes
  2. 02The movie has many memorable set pieces and accidental laughs, especially the hospital chaos and Loomis’s outbursts. About 48 min
  3. 03The opening functions like a remix of Halloween 1 and immediately re-engages the viewer. About 40 min
  4. 04The hospital setting gives the sequel a distinct, creepy nighttime atmosphere. About 56 min

WHAT DID NOT WORK

Their main criticisms

  1. majorThe Laurie-is-Michael’s-sister retcon feels stapled on and weakens the franchise mythology. About 16 min
  2. majorLaurie is underused and essentially inert for most of the movie. About 1:04
  3. moderateSome of the film’s horror mechanics are silly or implausible, especially in the hot tub sequence and hospital logistics. About 1:04
  4. minorDick Warlock’s Myers is seen as stiffer and less athletic than the original version. About 1:12 · medium confidence

SCENES THEY KEPT COMING BACK TO

Standout moments

Favorite

Opening continuation from Halloween 1

The opening picks up directly after the first film, and the hosts love how quickly it re-ignites the story.

About 40 min
Favorite

Ben Tramer mistaken-identity death

A bystander is mistaken for Myers, hit, dragged, crushed, and burned in a sequence the hosts find absurdly tragic and funny.

About 40 min
positive

Michael in the hospital corridors

Myers quietly cuts phone lines, kills lights, and moves through the hospital with eerie efficiency.

About 1:12
Favorite

Hot tub murder

The hot-tub seduction leads to a scalding murder that the hosts call one of the movie’s best kills.

About 1:04
Favorite

Loomis and the sheriff arguing in the street

Loomis’s insistence that Myers is still alive and the sheriff’s grief create one of the film’s funniest exchanges.

About 40 min
positive

Final hospital confrontation

Lori shoots Myers in the eyes, Loomis keeps firing, and the chaos escalates into blind stabbing and gas explosion logic.

About 1:28

WHERE THEY DISAGREED

The biggest debates

They partly agreed Opening minutes

Who is the strongest slasher icon: Myers, Freddy, or Jason?

Van Lathan

Freddy has the most personality and is the scariest because he attacks in dreams.

Bill Simmons

Myers is more realistic, original, and funnier than Jason.

Chris Ryan

Myers is the best sequel slasher because he is relentless and iconic.

They agreed About 8 min

Does the Laurie sister retcon help the franchise?

Bill Simmons

It is one of the worst sequel ideas ever and makes the story worse.

Van Lathan

The franchise is better when Myers has no purpose or family motivation.

They partly agreed About 40 min

How much hospital is too much hospital?

Bill Simmons

The hospital is the right setting but the movie probably spends too much time there.

Van Lathan

The enclosed hospital is the distinctive sequel move and helps separate it from the first film.

They partly agreed About 16 min

Should the sequel have moved Laurie to another town?

Bill Simmons

A one-town-over or high-rise sequel would have been a stronger idea.

Chris Ryan

Keeping the night in Haddonfield is part of the film’s appeal, though the hospital gives it distinction.

15 People discussedActors, directors, writers, and producers
very favorableMichael MyersChris Ryan: Praised as the best slasher presence here because he is quiet, relentless, and weirdly funny. Opening minutes
favorableFreddy KruegerVan Lathan: Used as the main comparison point for personality, realism, and supernatural threat. Opening minutes
neutralJason VoorheesBill Simmons: Compared with Myers as less realistic and less purposeful. Opening minutes
very favorableLoomisBill Simmons: Celebrated as a hilarious, obsessive, quote-heavy presence who keeps insisting Myers is not human. About 32 min
mixedSheriff BrackettBill Simmons: Seen as emotionally justified in turning on Loomis after his daughter’s death, though the hosts keep the joke tone. About 40 min · medium confidence
mixedLaurie StrodeVan Lathan: Discussed as the central victim but also criticized as underwritten and passive. About 1:04
mixedJamie Lee CurtisBill Simmons: Her performance is overshadowed by the sequel’s decision to sideline Laurie and by the bad wig. About 1:04 very favorableDonald PleasenceChris Ryan: Praised for making Loomis wildly entertaining and for playing the film’s central obsession. About 32 min neutralRick RosenthalBill Simmons: Mentioned as the director who inherited the film after Carpenter declined to direct. About 40 min favorableJohn CarpenterBill Simmons: Credited for wanting an anthology approach and for co-writing the screenplay and score. About 40 min favorableDebra HillBill Simmons: Discussed as an important creative force, including the smoky mask anecdote and protection of the actress on set. About 1:04
mixedBen TramerBill Simmons: Referenced for one of the movie’s funniest, most tragic, and most absurd death scenes. About 48 min
mixedLeo RossiBill Simmons: Discussed as the creepy hot-tub suitor who helps drive one of the film’s most notorious scenes. About 1:04
neutralPamela Susan ShoopBill Simmons: Mentioned in relation to the controversial hot-tub nudity scene and set discomfort. About 1:12
neutralDanA CarveyBill Simmons: Mentioned as a small-credit cameo that adds to the movie’s odd cast texture. About 1:12
12 Conversation takesSpeakers shown only where the transcript identifies them
Chris RyanLoved it

Halloween II as a sequel

He says it is the best Halloween sequel and likes how it preserves the first movie’s pressure by taking place the same night.

Opening minutes
Van LathanLoved it

Freddy Krueger

He argues Freddy is the slasher with the most personality and the strongest pure fear factor.

Opening minutes
Bill SimmonsLoved it

Michael Myers

He prefers Myers as a realistic, original, funny, purpose-driven killer who is relentless in motion.

Opening minutes
Bill SimmonsDid not like it

the Laurie-is-Michael’s-sister retcon

He says this is one of the worst sequel ideas ever and argues it harms the franchise.

About 8 min
Chris RyanLiked it

Ben Tramer death sequence

He treats the accidental death as one of the movie’s funniest and most absurd recurring talking points.

About 48 min
Bill SimmonsLiked it

the hospital setting

He likes the enclosed hospital version of the sequel, though he thinks the story could have used less hospital and more wandering Haddonfield.

About 40 min
Chris RyanLoved it

Loomis

He enjoys Loomis as a detached, obsessive comic figure with a handful of repeat lines and total certainty.

About 1:20
Van LathanLiked it

the sequel’s score

He prefers the first movie’s score but likes the sequel’s willingness to mix things up and mimic remix culture.

About 1:04
Bill SimmonsLiked it

the hot-tub murder

He thinks the hot-tub sequence is one of the best 1980s horror murders, despite its ridiculous setup.

About 1:04
Chris RyanLiked it

Halloween II overall tone

He says the movie is now hilarious and that its best feature is the accumulation of inexplicable choices.

Opening minutes
Bill SimmonsLiked it

Loomis shooting the wrong kid

He says the false-Michael car accident sequence is one of the funniest scenes and barely treated as tragedy.

About 40 min
Van LathanMixed

Michael Myers’ purpose

He likes Myers most when he has no motivation and is just a killing machine, rather than being tied to family lore.

About 16 min
5 ThemesThe larger ideas in the discussion

Same-night sequel pressure

The film’s biggest strength, in their view, is that it extends the first movie’s night rather than resetting the story.

Opening minutes

Slasher-era economics

They place the movie inside the early-80s boom of cheap, profitable horror sequels.

About 8 min

Loomis as comic obsession

Donald Pleasence’s Dr. Loomis is treated as a hilarious, unhinged monomaniac who never stops insisting Myers is not human.

About 32 min

Hospital-as-horror-space

The nearly empty hospital is framed as creepy, realistic, and ideal for escalating the sequel.

About 48 min

Myers as relentless force

Michael is admired as a killer who walks, persists, and knows the town, even if the movie sometimes makes him oddly selective.

About 8 min
23 Facts and referencesProduction notes and other movies mentioned

Production note

Carpenter co-wrote the screenplay but did not direct the film.

About 40 min

Production note

The movie was partly reshot / adjusted in post to add more horror material.

About 40 min

Production note

The film was originally intended to support an anthology approach to the Halloween brand.

About 40 min

Production note

The Morningside Hospital exterior/interior locations were later torn down and replaced by senior living.

About 1:12

Production note

Pamela Susan Shoop said the hot-tub scene’s water was cold and dirty.

About 1:12

Production note

Dick Warlock also played the patrol officer who hits Ben Tramer.

About 1:12

Production note

Dana Carvey is credited in the film despite a tiny part.

About 1:12

Production note

The hosts say the film’s TV cut gives Jimmy a survivable ending.

About 1:12

Season of the Witch

Used as a Halloween sequel that one host likes as a weird favorite.

Opening minutes

H2O

Mentioned as another Halloween sequel one host likes.

Opening minutes

Friday the 13th

Used as the main comparison point for Jason versus Myers.

Opening minutes

Prom Night

Mentioned as one of the early-80s slasher-era titles.

About 8 min

Terror Train

Held up as a strong horror premise that was not executed especially well.

About 8 min

Rocky II

Used as a model for the sequel’s same-night, same-story compression.

About 8 min

Godfather III

Used as another example of a sequel idea that the hosts hate.

About 8 min

48 Hrs. / Another 48 Hrs.

Cited as another sequel retcon that changes how the original plays.

About 16 min

Game of Thrones

Used to describe modern viewers’ habit of over-reading continuity and clues.

About 16 min

Night of the Living Dead

Seen playing in an old couple’s home during one of the kills.

About 40 min

The Accused

Referenced because Leo Rossi played one of the rapists in that later film.

About 1:04

Escape from New York

Mentioned because Carpenter instead directed that film.

About 40 min

The Wire / Brian Kelly joke

Loomis is compared to a losing football coach as part of the hosts’ running gag.

About 32 min · medium confidence

The Shawshank Redemption

Referenced via the value of a prop Bible in the collector market.

About 1:28

Exorcist III

Held up as a favorite hospital horror movie.

About 1:12
10 Running jokes and short linesRecurring bits captured from the conversation

Loomis as a stand-up comic

The hosts repeatedly treat Loomis’s lines as if he has a recurring comedy bit about Myers not being human.

About 32 min

Haddonfield as a town with terrible security

They joke that residents keep doors open, ignore warnings, and fail to react to an active serial killer.

About 48 min

Hot-tub hygiene rant

The panel fixates on how gross and impractical the hospital hot tub is for romance.

About 1:04

Myers as a football player

They use football metaphors to describe Myers’s durability, home-field advantage, and movement.

About 8 min

Loomis’s gun is useless

They repeatedly mock the outdated revolver and Loomis’s inability to stop Myers with it.

About 24 min

Chris Ryan

“Hail Satan.”
Opening minutes

Bill Simmons

“You don't know what death is!”
About 40 min

Chris Ryan

“This is their wake.”
About 48 min

Bill Simmons

“I'm taking you hostage, Marshall.”
About 1:28

Bill Simmons

“Big step now.”
About 1:12

MAKE IT A MOVIE NIGHT

Where to watch

UNITED STATES

Checking where Halloween II is available…

WHAT TO WATCH NEXT

Movies to watch before and after.

Three movies to watch before Halloween II, and three to watch next.

Finding six movies…Three to watch first and three to watch next.
Includes a Rewatchables episodePosters from TMDB.

ON THE MIC

3 voices made the call

Bill Simmons headshotBill Simmons125 tracked appearances · 56 H / 64 C / 5 ties
Chris Ryan headshotChris Ryan77 tracked appearances · 36 H / 38 C / 3 ties
Van Lathan headshotVan Lathan36 tracked appearances · 11 H / 23 C / 2 ties

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