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THE REWATCHABLES · July 12, 2024

For Love of the Game

A 1999 drama / romance / sports directed by Sam Raimi, covered in the complete Rewatchables archive.

DramaRomanceSports1990sDirected by Sam Raimi
Overall episode#100Source sheet order
Movie year19991990s
Tomatometer47%Critics’ score
Metacritic43View score
Roger Ebert—No review recorded
DirectorSam RaimiDrama / Romance / Sports

FROM THE CONVERSATION

What they said about the movie

The hosts argue that For Love of the Game is a deeply flawed but highly rewatchable sports movie: its baseball material is strong, its love story is widely derided, and Kevin Costner’s commitment plus Vin Scully’s narration elevate it. They repeatedly frame it as a movie with huge highs and disastrous lows.
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WHY IT WORKS

What made it rewatchable

  1. 01The baseball sequences, especially the first inning and perfect-game finish, are treated as elite sports-movie material. About 16 min
  2. 02Costner’s in-head pitching monologue gives unusually direct access to the pitcher’s thought process. About 16 min
  3. 03The Mickey Hart catch-and-recovery sequence is singled out as a great, rewatchable moment. About 32 min
  4. 04The masseuse sequence is described as hysterically good and memorably staged. About 32 min

WHAT DID NOT WORK

Their main criticisms

  1. majorThe Kelly Preston romance is considered the movie’s biggest flaw and often actively repellent. Opening minutes
  2. moderateThe film is too long and would benefit from trimming much of the romance. Opening minutes
  3. moderateThe ending after the hotel-room crying scene goes on too long. About 24 min
  4. moderateSome baseball realism is questioned, especially the final out and the manager decisions. About 32 min

SCENES THEY KEPT COMING BACK TO

Standout moments

Favorite

First inning and Sam Tuttle at-bat

The opening baseball stretch, including Chapel’s focus and confrontation with Tuttle, is praised as an elite start.

About 16 min
Favorite

Masseuse sequence

The massage-to-hookup setup is praised as hilarious, sensual, and perfectly edited.

About 32 min
Favorite

Perfect game realization and finish

Billy learning he has a perfect game and finishing it is treated as a top-tier sports-movie climax.

About 32 min
Favorite

Mickey Hart catch and locker-room follow-up

The no-hitter-saving catch and the locker-room pep talk are singled out as moving and rewatchable.

About 32 min
positive

Signing the baseball before the ninth

The ball-signing sequence is admired for its pacing and payoff into the inning.

About 32 min
critical

Kelly Preston dinner date

The first dinner scene is mocked for bizarre dialogue and unnatural flirting.

About 56 min
critical

Hospital and helicopter scene

The hand-injury hospital scene is ridiculed for melodrama and Kelly Preston’s reaction.

About 40 min
critical

Airport ending

The airport reunion is seen as a long, unnecessary coda after the emotional peak.

About 24 min

WHERE THEY DISAGREED

The biggest debates

They partly agreed Opening minutes

Should the movie have cut the Kelly Preston romance entirely?

Bill Simmons

Mostly yes; the romance is the movie’s worst part and could be heavily trimmed.

Mallory Rubin

No full cut; the romance and structure are part of why the movie works as a flawed whole.

They agreed About 32 min

What should the perfect game-ending final out be?

Bill Simmons

The play is too improbable and should be rethought.

Mallory Rubin

It should have ended on a strikeout or, at minimum, a less implausible baseball play.

They partly agreed About 48 min

Is Vin Scully the movie’s Apex Mountain?

Bill Simmons

Yes, the film is one of the best ongoing documents of his greatness.

Mallory Rubin

Compelling, but Bill argues the actual baseball moments in his career matter more than the movie.

15 People discussedActors, directors, writers, and producers
very favorableKevin CostnerBill Simmons: Praised for commitment, athletic realism, and being central to the movie’s appeal despite the flaws. Opening minutes criticalKelly PrestonBill Simmons: Widely criticized for weak performance and for dragging down the romance and several key scenes. Opening minutes favorableMallory RubinBill Simmons: Bill treats her as a strong co-discussant on Costner and the movie’s baseball logic. Opening minutes favorableSam RaimiBill Simmons: Mentioned as giving the movie strong pedigree, even if the result is flawed. About 8 min very favorableVin ScullyBill Simmons: His commentary is treated as exceptional and elevating the baseball scenes. About 48 min mixedJohn C. ReillyBill Simmons: Seen as uneven in the movie, though his catcher work and one or two scenes are appreciated. About 16 min favorableJ.K. SimmonsBill Simmons: Praised as the good-natured manager Perry and for his range from Oz to this role. About 16 min mixedBrian CoxBill Simmons: His owner speech about baseball’s decline is cited, though the hosts disagree with its anti-progress framing. About 48 min · medium confidence
criticalMichael PapajohnBill Simmons: Identified as the Sam Tuttle actor and mocked for bunting to break up the perfect game. About 32 min
favorableDominic LombardozziBill Simmons: Cited as a strong That Guy choice for the tow-truck role. About 1:04
favorableJenna MaloneBill Simmons: Mentioned as Heather/the kid and as a candidate for the Dion Waiters award. About 1:04
criticalRoger EbertBill Simmons: His negative review is quoted and used to underline the movie’s reputation. About 16 min favorableAnnette BeningBill Simmons: Mentioned as the intended alternate casting for Kelly Preston, which the hosts think would have been better. About 8 min
neutralGreg MadduxBill Simmons: Used as a baseball comp for Billy Chapel’s style and repertoire. About 8 min
neutralTom GlavineBill Simmons: Used as a pitching comp for Billy Chapel’s career shape and innings profile. About 8 min
14 Conversation takesSpeakers shown only where the transcript identifies them
Bill SimmonsLiked it

For Love of the Game

Calls it deeply flawed but a classic rewatchable because the baseball highs are so strong.

Opening minutes
Mallory RubinLoved it

the baseball interior monologue

Loves getting direct access to Billy Chapel’s thoughts while pitching.

About 16 min
Bill SimmonsLoved it

Kevin Costner

Views Costner as a baseball-movie legend who fully commits to this role.

Opening minutes
Mallory RubinLoved it

the masseuse sequence

Treats the massage-to-hookup setup as one of the movie’s funniest and best-staged stretches.

About 32 min
Bill SimmonsLoved it

the perfect game finish

Thinks the ninth inning and Vin Scully commentary are the movie’s high point.

About 32 min
Mallory RubinLiked it

the Mickey Hart catch

Thinks the catch and locker-room aftermath are among the movie’s best parts.

About 32 min
Bill SimmonsStrongly disliked it

Kelly Preston

Considers her the worst part of the movie and the main reason the romance fails.

Opening minutes
Mallory RubinLiked it

the movie’s structure

Argues the flashback structure is smart even though the romance is disastrous.

About 24 min
Bill SimmonsDid not like it

the airport ending

Thinks the film should have ended at the hotel-room cry instead of continuing to the airport.

About 24 min
Mallory RubinLoved it

Vin Scully’s narration

Treats Scully as one of the main reasons the baseball scenes soar.

About 48 min
Bill SimmonsLiked it

Brian Cox

Uses Cox’s owner speech as a good performance but rejects its anti-progress baseball worldview.

About 48 min · medium confidence
Mallory RubinDid not like it

Sam Tuttle

Sees Sam Tuttle as an ideal Yankees villain and hates the bunt to break up the perfect game.

About 32 min
Bill SimmonsStrongly disliked it

the Kelly Preston hospital scene

Calls the hospital confrontation one of the movie’s worst and most overacted scenes.

About 40 min
Mallory RubinLiked it

the glove/full-frontal cut controversy

Treats the missing full-frontal scene as a major injustice and a ridiculous studio decision.

About 56 min
5 ThemesThe larger ideas in the discussion

Baseball as interior monologue

The hosts admire how the movie lets the audience hear Billy Chapel think through pitches and pressure in real time.

About 16 min

Sports glory versus regret

They read the perfect game as inseparable from Billy’s emotional life and career ending.

About 24 min

Rewatchable extremes

The movie is valued because its best moments are excellent and its worst moments are absurdly bad, which makes channel-surfing fun.

About 8 min

Costner as sports-movie icon

They treat this as part of Kevin Costner’s baseball-movie legacy and admire his commitment to the role.

Opening minutes

Vin Scully’s authority

Vin Scully’s narration is treated as a major reason the baseball scenes work so well.

About 48 min
22 Facts and referencesProduction notes and other movies mentioned

Production note

The movie is based on a novel by Michael Shaara.

About 1:12

Production note

The hosts say the movie was shot with strong baseball pedigree but still disappointed audiences and critics.

About 8 min

Production note

They claim Costner prepared for the role by pitching repeatedly and even sought help from the Yankees trainer.

Opening minutes

Disputed in the episode

They say the film had a rumored cut full-frontal shower scene involving Costner.

About 8 min

Mentioned with uncertainty

Bill says Costner reportedly wanted Vin Scully as the announcer.

About 1:04

Production note

They note Billy Chapel’s stats as 30 starts, 8-11, 355 ERA, 211 innings, 98 walks, and 111 strikeouts.

About 1:12

Production note

The hosts say Billy Chapel has 10-5 rights and a no-trade clause issue that the movie ignores.

About 1:12

Bull Durham

Used as the benchmark for great baseball movies and the structural model this film approaches but misses.

About 8 min

Field of Dreams

Cited alongside Bull Durham as one of Costner’s all-time baseball classics.

About 8 min

The Natural

Referenced as another baseball movie they have previously discussed when talking about poetic sports-film language.

About 24 min

Never Been Kissed

Mentioned as another bad late-90s movie that features John C. Reilly.

About 8 min

Message in a Bottle

Used to explain why Costner’s reputation was rough around this period.

About 8 min

Tin Cup

Referenced as part of Costner’s late-90s comeback and sports-movie run.

About 8 min

Waterworld

Used as a marker in Costner’s career trajectory.

About 8 min

Oz

Referenced to highlight J.K. Simmons’ dramatic range before playing a genial manager here.

About 48 min

The Wire

Used when discussing Dominic Lombardozzi’s familiar character-actor identity.

About 1:04

Jurassic World

Listed among Dominic Lombardozzi’s later credits.

About 1:04

Spider-Man

Listed among Michael Papajohn’s credits when identifying him as Sam Tuttle.

About 1:04

The Killer Angels

Mentioned as the book Billy is reading, also tied to the novel’s author Michael Shaara.

About 1:12

Shawshank Redemption

Used as the rare exception to Bill’s dislike of movie narrators.

About 1:12

Jerry Maguire

Referenced to explain Kelly Preston’s late-90s visibility.

About 56 min

Game Boy Color

Used as a 1999 marker when discussing John C. Reilly on the bus.

About 1:12
10 Running jokes and short linesRecurring bits captured from the conversation

Costner as a baseball-sexuality object

Repeated jokes about Costner’s body, glove-smelling, and the missing full-frontal scene become a recurring bit.

About 8 min

Kelly Preston as the movie’s punchline

Her scenes are revisited so often that they become a running gag about the movie’s worst element.

Opening minutes

Vin Scully flexes

They repeatedly quote and admire Vin Scully’s narration as an apex baseball-voice performance.

About 48 min

Baseball-nerd stat nitpicks

They obsess over Billy Chapel’s stats, pitch mix, innings totals, and how realistic his velocity would be.

About 8 min

Yankee-hating and stadium hecklers

They enjoy the movie’s caricatured Yankee fans and bar hecklers as a running sports-movie annoyance bit.

About 48 min

Bill Simmons

“It is the most flawed sports movie probably ever.”
Opening minutes

Bill Simmons

“How do you like to be kissed?”
About 56 min

Mallory Rubin

“We don't stink right now.”
About 32 min

Bill Simmons

“I love you, Mickey Hart!”
About 32 min

Speaker not identified

“He's pitching against time”
About 48 min

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