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THE REWATCHABLES · May 21, 2024

Back to the Future Part II

A 1989 sci-fi / adventure movie directed by Robert Zemeckis—and decision no. 8 in the Hanks–Cruise tape.

Sci-fiAdventure1980sDirected by Robert Zemeckis
Back to the Future Part II1989MOVIE
Podcast episode#341No. 357 overall
Movie year19891980s release
Tomatometer63%No. 89 of 128 tracked
Metacritic57View score
Roger Ebert3/4Original star rating
State of the raceThe race was tied4–4 · 0 ties

FROM THE CONVERSATION

What they said about the movie

The episode argues that Back to the Future Part II is underrated, funnier and more inventive on rewatch, and especially notable for how many future predictions it got right. The hosts also spend a lot of time on gambling hypotheticals, almanac logic, sequel structure, and the movie’s recurring time-travel paradoxes.
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WHY IT WORKS

What made it rewatchable

  1. 01The 2015 future design and predictions still feel uncanny and fun to revisit. About 8 min
  2. 02The Cafe 80s / 2015 Hill Valley material is a strong comic sequence with lots of visual gags. About 16 min
  3. 03The sports almanac premise invites endless hypothetical gambling talk. About 8 min
  4. 04The movie’s practical effects and split-screen work still impress. About 8 min
  5. 05The sequence-driven structure gives it a lot of propulsive, almost slapstick momentum. About 32 min

WHAT DID NOT WORK

Their main criticisms

  1. minorThe movie over-explains its time-travel logic and gets overly scientific at times. About 32 min
  2. moderateJennifer is underused and mostly reduced to being tranquilized or sidelined. About 32 min
  3. moderateMarty and Jennifer are depicted as too old for the high-school-age setup. About 24 min
  4. moderateThe ending tease for Part III disappointed audiences at the time. About 24 min
  5. minorSome of the future guesses, especially flying cars, never quite materialized as shown. About 8 min

SCENES THEY KEPT COMING BACK TO

Standout moments

Favorite

Cafe 80s arrival and hoverboard chase

Marty enters the retro-future cafe, spots future gags, and the movie launches into a lively hoverboard chase.

About 16 min
Favorite

Gray Sports Almanac purchase

Marty buys the almanac despite Doc’s objections, establishing the movie’s central MacGuffin.

About 16 min
positive

Biff-controlled 1985 / Pleasure Paradise

Marty returns to a grim, casino-driven alternate 1985 and sees Biff’s empire.

About 24 min
positive

Biff confronts Marty about the almanac

Biff remembers the 1955 storm and becomes the movie’s most active antagonist in the sequel’s middle stretch.

About 24 min
positive

2015 future-tech montage

The film’s future gadgets, screens, and devices are discussed as surprisingly prescient.

About 8 min
mixed

Marty Jr. restaurant/job-fallout sequence

The future-family complications and multiple-Marty material are admired technically but seen as odd and overworked.

About 32 min

WHERE THEY DISAGREED

The biggest debates

They partly agreed About 8 min

Does knowing the future ruin gambling?

Bill Simmons

It would reduce the fun unless you used it strategically and selectively.

Cousin Sal

He would still use it heavily and probably bet enough to keep things profitable.

Chris Ryan

The book would help, but some results would still be unknown and usable for selective betting.

No final agreement About 1:20

How much does the almanac alter the timeline?

Bill Simmons

Biff’s success should create ripple effects that make the book less reliable.

Chris Ryan

The movie doesn’t fully obey its own rules about how localized or broad the effects are.

Cousin Sal

The sports results should still mostly work if used carefully and early.

They agreed About 1:20

Does Marty’s chicken trigger make sense?

Bill Simmons

No; it should have been tied to being called a loser instead.

Chris Ryan

The chicken thing feels arbitrary and underexplained.

Cousin Sal

It is the governing flaw, but not a satisfying one.

They agreed About 24 min

Is the ending tease for Part III effective?

Bill Simmons

It made him mad in theaters and felt like too much of a cliffhanger.

Chris Ryan

It turns the movie into an unfinished middle chapter.

Cousin Sal

He also remembers being disappointed by the trailer-style ending.

They partly agreed About 1:20 · medium confidence

Could a modern remake work?

Bill Simmons

Yes, but only if it found the right new Marty and Doc and updated the setting intelligently.

Chris Ryan

Maybe, though the franchise already feels iconic enough to resist remaking.

Cousin Sal

A remake would need a strong new concept, not just a straight repeat.

15 People discussedActors, directors, writers, and producers
very favorableMichael J. FoxBill Simmons: Praised as one of the all-time greats in the role and noted for playing multiple versions of Marty across the trilogy. About 8 min favorableChristopher LloydBill Simmons: Praised for the Doc Brown role and for the 2015 Brooklyn bit with Fox. Opening minutes favorableRobert ZemeckisChris Ryan: Credited with choosing a funnier, less Blade Runner-like future and making the sequel feel inventive. About 8 min neutralBob GaleBill Simmons: Mentioned as the writer who said 1985 Biff was inspired by Donald Trump. About 24 min · medium confidencemixedCrispin GloverBill Simmons: Described as a major loss to the sequel and the subject of the lawsuit and replacement controversy. About 24 min
favorableTom WilsonBill Simmons: Praised as the performer who carries the Biff/Griff overacting lane and multiple roles. About 48 min
mixedLea ThompsonBill Simmons: Her older makeup and doubled roles are discussed, but the hosts also see her scenes as part of the sequel’s technical trickery. About 32 min mixedElizabeth ShueBill Simmons: Seen as overqualified for the Jennifer part and not given much to do. About 24 min favorableRoger EbertBill Simmons: Cited for a three-star review calling the movie goofiness-based and fun despite its weirdness. About 32 min favorableQuentin TarantinoBill Simmons: Mentioned for calling Back to the Future one of a small number of perfect movies. Opening minutes · medium confidence
favorableCarl SaganChris Ryan: Referenced as giving the film high praise for its time-travel ethics and philosophy. Opening minutes · medium confidence
neutralJohn HughesBill Simmons: Referenced via 1980s teen-movie casting comparisons and high-school-age actors. About 24 min · low confidencefavorableSteven SpielbergBill Simmons: Mentioned in the opening aside as an attention-getting credit and as a marker of prestige. About 32 min · medium confidencecriticalDonald TrumpBill Simmons: Named as a possible model for the 1985 Biff character. About 24 min neutralJoe FlahertyBill Simmons: Mentioned as the Western Union man in the ending, with an SCTV/Happy Gilmore aside. About 48 min · medium confidence
12 Conversation takesSpeakers shown only where the transcript identifies them
Bill SimmonsLoved it

Back to the Future Part II

Calls it one of his favorite movies and enjoys rewatching it as an adult.

Opening minutes
Chris RyanLiked it

Back to the Future Part II

Says it was much better than remembered and pretty delightful on rewatch.

Opening minutes
Cousin SalLoved it

The sports almanac

Treats the almanac as the core fantasy object and talks through how he would exploit it for gambling.

About 8 min
Bill SimmonsLoved it

Cafe 80s / 2015 future sequence

Thinks the opening 2015 material is a strong and very rewatchable run.

About 16 min
Chris RyanLoved it

Visual effects and split-screen performance

Admires the technical work that lets Fox play multiple versions in one scene.

About 24 min
Bill SimmonsLoved it

Future predictions

Finds the movie’s future-tech predictions one of its best enduring qualities.

About 8 min
Bill SimmonsLoved it

Michael J. Fox

Treats Fox’s career and performance here as elite and career-defining.

About 8 min
Bill SimmonsLiked it

Tom Wilson / Biff

Enjoys Wilson’s many Biff variants and especially the over-the-top Griff performance.

About 48 min
Chris RyanMixed

Sequels

Likes being back in the world but thinks the sequel structure gets slightly overcomplicated.

About 56 min
Bill SimmonsLiked it

Back to the Future Part III

Prefers Part II to Part III but still enjoys the franchise continuation.

About 24 min
Bill SimmonsLiked it

Alan Silvestri’s score

Calls out the score as memorable and linked to Universal backlot nostalgia.

About 32 min
Cousin SalLiked it

Hoverboards

Says he wishes hoverboards were real and thinks they would be a fun modern transport invention.

About 56 min
5 ThemesThe larger ideas in the discussion

Time travel paradoxes

The hosts keep circling the logic problems of changing the past and whether the almanac should work at all once Biff alters the timeline.

Opening minutes

Gambling and cheating the future

Sal’s gambling instinct makes the almanac the episode’s central fantasy object, and the hosts explore how to exploit it without getting caught.

About 8 min

Nostalgia and franchise culture

The film’s future is framed as a world that commodifies nostalgia and franchises everything back at the audience.

About 8 min

Sequels and diminishing returns

The hosts contrast the perfect closure of the first movie with the sequel’s more sprawling, continuing-adventure structure.

About 24 min

Practical effects and technical ingenuity

They admire the visual effects, split-screen performances, and prop-heavy production design that still hold up.

About 24 min
25 Facts and referencesProduction notes and other movies mentioned

Production note

Robert Zemeckis only agreed to make the sequel if Michael J. Fox and Christopher Lloyd returned.

About 24 min

Production note

The film was shot in conjunction with Back to the Future Part III.

About 16 min

Production note

Industrial Light & Magic made the same-actor-in-one-scene effects much easier by 1989.

About 24 min

Production note

The Jaws 19 trailer and some future props are built as deliberate jokes about franchising and nostalgia.

About 8 min

Production note

The future sections include self-lacing Nikes, holograms, video chat, flat screens, and fingerprint scanners.

About 8 min

Production note

The movie’s alternate 1985 Biff empire was reportedly inspired by Donald Trump.

About 24 min

Production note

Claudia Wells did not return as Jennifer and Elizabeth Shue replaced her.

About 24 min

Production note

Crispin Glover’s dispute became an important legal case affecting later filmmaking practices.

About 24 min

Production note

The movie made about $332 million worldwide on a $70 million budget.

About 40 min

Production note

The film was the first released on videocassette by MCA Universal Home Video.

About 1:12

Jaws 19

Used as the funniest prediction example and proof of the film’s franchise satire.

About 8 min

The Bronx? / Miami Gators

The future baseball team is used as a joke about invented sports franchises.

About 16 min

Carl Sagan

Cited as praising the movie’s philosophical handling of time travel.

Opening minutes · medium confidence

Quentin Tarantino

Mentioned for calling Back to the Future one of the perfect movies.

Opening minutes · medium confidence

The Holy Grail

Used as a comparison for the kind of movie prop they would steal in real life.

About 8 min

Moneyball

Referenced for the idea of stealing the player algorithm and changing baseball discourse.

About 8 min

They Live

Sal jokes that the sunglasses from They Live are a prop he would want.

About 8 min

Pulp Fiction

Used as a riffing point for the mysterious glowing briefcase prop question.

About 8 min

Total Recall

Referenced in a comparison about video-call-like future tech.

About 8 min · medium confidence

Biff Tannen’s inspiration from Donald Trump

A behind-the-scenes citation for the adult Biff persona.

About 24 min

Roger Rabbit

Cited when discussing Zemeckis’s effects-driven work and black comedy energy.

About 1:28 · medium confidence

Big

Used to compare childlike body-swapping / casting-age awkwardness.

About 56 min · medium confidence

The Beatles / Duran Duran / Sammy Hagar

Referenced in music and café jokes about 1980s nostalgia.

About 40 min · low confidence

Back to the Future

The first film is repeatedly used as the benchmark for why Part II works or doesn’t.

About 24 min

The Wizard of Oz / 90210 / Ferris Bueller

Used as analogies for age-inappropriate casting and sequel logic.

About 24 min · medium confidence
11 Running jokes and short linesRecurring bits captured from the conversation

Gambling math and almanac exploitation

The hosts keep returning to how many bets you could safely place before casinos or time effects noticed.

About 8 min

Props you’d steal from movies

A recurring game of ranking iconic movie objects they’d want in real life.

About 8 min

Future-tech prediction scoreboard

They repeatedly judge which predictions aged best and which missed badly.

About 8 min

Creepy-doc / age-gap jokes

The hosts riff on Doc Brown hanging around Marty and how odd that relationship looks in hindsight.

About 40 min

Biff overacting bracket

Repeatedly evaluating which Biff version overacts the hardest, with Griff usually the target.

About 48 min

Sal as gambler oracle

Sal becomes the authority on what he’d bet and how he’d use the almanac.

About 8 min

Bill Simmons

“Great Scott! Settle down, Doc.”
About 16 min

Bill Simmons

“I don't even know if that’s that hot of a take.”
About 56 min

Bill Simmons

“I haven't taken a dump since last week.”
About 16 min

Bill Simmons

“It's Satan's piss.”
About 1:04

Bill Simmons

“What do you mean a paradox?”
About 1:04

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Bill Simmons headshotBill Simmons125 tracked appearances · 56 H / 64 C / 5 ties
Chris Ryan headshotChris Ryan77 tracked appearances · 36 H / 38 C / 3 ties
Cousin Sal2 tracked appearances · 1 H / 1 C

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